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las123
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question..coonhound bench shows

my question is can you put a dog on the bench with a pinch collar on?

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no .not if you want to win

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You will want a snake chain or a martingale chain

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ty

thanks..i was at a bench show it was a coonhounds..i was watching and i seen a guy put his dog on the bench and he had a pinch collar on..the other 2 dogs had no collars.i said to my self this 1 should be easy.low and behold the dog with the pinch collar won.

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What is a pinch collar?

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quote:
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What is a pinch collar?
ITS A COLLAR THAT HAS LITTLE LEVERS UNDER THE CHAIN THAT PINCH WHEN PULLED ON some versions are pretty rough on a dog,
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Re: ty

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thanks..i was at a bench show it was a coonhounds..i was watching and i seen a guy put his dog on the bench and he had a pinch collar on..the other 2 dogs had no collars.i said to my self this 1 should be easy.low and behold the dog with the pinch collar won.
You were correct and I would say that you did not have or see a very good bench show judge , I would let them show but would not consider them for placement. I had a guy once show a dog with a shocking collar on he was a nice son of a gun too but I picked the dog that was not near as nice , The guy had been practicing all day with the shocker on the dog bumping him every time he moved , I had asked him to stop and to do his training at home and he told me to mind my own business, you should have seen his face when I came out to judge the dogs.

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Richard Lambert
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Joe, is there a rule against wearing or using a shock collar during a bench show?

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Seems like you should be judging the dog not the collar. If a judge picks a lesser dog because he or she didn't like the collar the nicer dog wore, what are you really judging. If the dog has awesome confirmation and a lesser dog wins because the judge doesn't like the collar???? If there is a black and white rule on the collars used then I can see the point for disqualification.

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lol

lol..i guess i stirred the pot!!no 1 said which dog was nicer.the orginal question was are they allowed to use a pinch collar while benching a dog.if its not allowed why wasnt that dog scratched!just like your not allowed to give your dog a treat while on the bench.just maybe,maybe if you train your dog better you wouldnt need to cheat to win!!just follow the rules,if not mistaken i dont think there is a gray area in this rule.

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.....if not mistaken i dont think there is a gray area in this rule....


Is it even a rule? At every bench show that I have seen almost every handler put their dog up on the bench to do a little "training" before the show started.

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I have the official rule book and there is no mention of collar requirements or forbidding practice before the event. Rule 19 does state, no bait, clickers or toys are allowed in the show ring. So essentially no treats, noisemakers or toys to help them perform. That being said and this is just my opinion, a training collar capable of noise and physical stimulation should disqualify the entry. Seems like that would be under the clicker rule

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There was a time it was written if memory serves me that no training aides were allowed. Now they are more specific in the statement of the type of training aides..
However with the advent, evolution, and frequent use of training collars the rules have been tweaked to accept the wearing of shockers as long as the transmitter was left in the vehicle.(On Nite Hunts.)
Anyone that knows much about it can argue that the dog knows the shocker and will behave himself while it is being worn.
Additionally everyone with much experience in the ring will agree that show leashes are the norm. Glorified chokers that make the dog lead better as well as the quickness in allowing the removal to show the dog.
The Pinch Collar is nothing more than a better style choke collar of sorts.(pinch collars when used correctly are actually more difficult to remove quickly.)
That being said, applying this conception to the show dog ,one could argue the shocker causes the dog to show like a statue out of fear. However, the rules do not specify they are not allowed.Rules only says may not be used during time in and until all dogs are caught in a Nite Hunt.
So applying this terminology to a bench show as long as it was not used during the actual time of the show was it wrong?
If it was a concern,I would ask "ALL" handlers to remove any collars while being shown that day.

So unless/until it is specifically written in the rules I would not disqualify a handler for using a pinch collar as opposed to a choker /show lead/ or martingale style.After all it is still just another type of choke collar. No more No less.
Nor a shocker as long as the transmitter was not on their person and in fact otherwise in the vehicle as required .

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Re: Re: lol

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Is it even a rule? At every bench show that I have seen almost every handler put their dog up on the bench to do a little "training" before the show started.
Big difference between Training vs abuse Richard he was being way too ruff. I dont know about you Richard but im not going to sit there and watch someone shock and abuse a dog for a hour or longer .

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quote:
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Joe, is there a rule against wearing or using a shock collar during a bench show?
no and yes.

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He is a coon dog!
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ETCHA CHAMPION
HCHA CHAMPION
Top 16 NCHA WORLD Champion
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Jerico Rebel our Movie star horse hes been in three films now 35 years old
Just passed away February 4th 2016

MY OLD DOGS GONE BUT NEVER FORGOTTEN
The one I will allways miss now deceased 01/09/2013
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GRCH GR NT CH COBBLER CREEK WENDY
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Pat most people that get disqualified do not even know thats what happened , they just think they got beat .

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