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Boy you sure are hoytie toytie today. I am ok with a dog getting minused for coming in to a coon late. I am not ok a dog getting circled for coming in to off game late. I want mine to tree his own coon but if he ain't got one going I want him to get some of your coon if your dog is faster then mine on 5 coons I expect him to be on all 5 with your dog in he can't find one of his own.



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Richard, my guys like the idea of points being deleted. Please tell my why on earth you would advocate anything getting circle points that could later bite you on a tie breaker? Also, why would you advocate for a dog that comes in and blows down on a possum to be exempt from being scratched when in every other situation, including on time outs, it is punished not circled? This has nothing to do with breeding for or training independent dogs it is dogs that weren't doing what they were as supposed to do in being at that tree within 5 minutes. Arrive in time.

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Oh and Richard they see allowing it to be deleted minding their own biscuits, the circle thing gets lumps in the gravy. Any cook worth their salt doesn't like it when one goes to messing with the gravy.

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Why do you care if my gravy is lumpy? I am the one that has to eat it. My wife makes lumpy gravy all of the time and I don't say a word. I just eat it. Are you saying that a dog that comes in after the cast gets there to see what is going on should get scratched just like the dog that actually treed the possum? I don't have a problem with deleting the points. I just don't think they should be minused. Actually, I usually forget and delete them because that is what I am used to.

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.... Any cook worth their salt doesn't like it when one goes to messing with the gravy.....

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Doesn't that apply to coonhunters and their rules also?

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Why do you care if my gravy is lumpy? I am the one that has to eat it. My wife makes lumpy gravy all of the time and I don't say a word. I just eat it. Are you saying that a dog that comes in after the cast gets there to see what is going on should get scratched just like the dog that actually treed the possum? I don't have a problem with deleting the points. I just don't think they should be minused. Actually, I usually forget and delete them because that is what I am used to.

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I dont care about what you old buzzards are arguing about

But I do want know what hoytie toytie means.....

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I think that "hoytie toytie" means the same thing as " high falootin". I would rather be called hoytie toytie than an old buzzard.

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Hoytie toytie means pain in the rump !!


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Tarbaby, that isn't what Google says. But I guess that you are a lot smarter than the Google girl.

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Tarbaby, that isn't what Google says. But I guess that you are a lot smarter than the Google girl.

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If you don't want your dog to come into a tree just train him not to. It isn't that hard. And that is fine.
If you don't care if your dog comes into a tree, then don't worry about it. That is fine also.
The problem arises when one handler doesn't like how another handler's dog operates. My Goodness, it is his dog. Why would you care what another dog does? If he doesn't care if his dog comes into a tree being scored, why would someone else? If everyone just worried about their own biscuits then life would be groovy.

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I don't understand why people get so fired up about getting beat by a so called "Me too'r". They can't beat you if you have 1st and 1st on a real coon.
Heck I get beat all the time. Makes me strive to get a better dog. I'm happy if the others want to "Me too" off of mine... JMO

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Oh my goodness Michael, you need to change the rules so that your super independant dog can win. And then everyone would have to get a dog that you approve of.

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Figured along time ago if I want to change the rules, change the agreement or change the contract its going to be in my benefit.

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A me too dog doesn't just follow one dog around. It goes from tree to tree who ever is making them. 50 and 75 on my tree and then 50 and 75 on your tree beats us both. I watched a bluetick female win the TX state hunt by going from my dogs tree to another guys trees all night. We both treed 3 coon apiece. She got a part of all 6 of them and never treed the first coon.

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I will try and be serious and not so sarcastic , for a while , some folks are a little touchy feely , but to the question I have seen very few real # me too dogs in a while most of the dogs we are talking about probably will not tonight or any other night strike , trail and tree their own coon by themselves , hot or cold. Most will not tree at all or they are JUST tree grabbers , And I agree with Tar and the Mafia Clan , scratch em if there is off game just like plus if there is a coon , delete but no circle I can live with that , but I ain't whoopin mine for a BobCat ever those are some real fun tracks. LOL And some of it could be the perception of handler/owner some guys and gals want a dog that hunts 15 -20 mph some are OK with 1-8. Now will the 1-8 mph dog win yes sometimes they will. But there is no doubt that the advantage will go to the 15-20 mph. A 1-2 hour competition hunt is not a very good indicator of any dog 30 nights in a row is especially in January or August. And I am not trying to offend anyone whatsoever. Oh and after a consult since we have cut the hunt times in half lets cut the minus points before being scratched in half as well to 200 minus instead of 400.

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Oh my goodness Michael, you need to change the rules so that your super independant dog can win. And then everyone would have to get a dog that you approve of.

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You tell me honestly Richard, did a dog that trees 2 min after the first dog have anything to do with finding the tree the coon was in?

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Dag A, B and dog C run a track. Dog A gets treed 2 minutes faster. Dog B is a little slower on this track and gets treed second after 2 minutes. Dog C doesn't like to back and searches all around but can't find another coon so he backs Dogs A and B after 4 minutes. Now Dog A gets 125 for treeing first. Why shouldn't Dog B and C get 75 and 50 points?
If a football quarterback hands the football off to a running back and the running back scores a touchdown, should the quarterback get any credit? A basketball player dribbles the ball down the court but passes the ball to another player who shoots a basket. Shouldn't the player who brought the ball down the court get credit? If 2 dogs both work a track together but one of them is a quicker tree dog, shouldn't the other dog get credit for treeing second? What if one dog works a track down to the end and finds the tree but checks to make sure. Meanwhile another dog just tags along and "steals" the tree.
The "new" emphasis is on getting treed. No one wants to wait any more. No one has any patience. No one wants to hear a dog trail. It is all about getting treed. Give the tree dog 125 and the track dogs 25. See where that leads. People breed for winners.

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If your happy with 50 tree points I guess I will let you have it on every tree. Kinda like the fat kid on the track team ain't doing much ain't fast but they let him participate anyway lol.


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I like and agree with the 2 minute tree rule, I feel if a dog really helped on that track it'll be there long before 2minutes have expired. A dog treed 2nd at 4:50 shouldn't be rewarded the same as a dog treed 2nd @ 30 seconds IMO. Also I feel a dog coming into tree after cast has arrived should be deleted, I'm not saying to punish them with minus, (even tho pleasure hunting, mines in trouble if he pulls this) but we surely shouldn't be helping them out, there's no way that should be circled. A dog treed on a nice big den and a dog coming into the cast at a tree shouldn't be scored in the same manner IMO, and that's how it's currently done, there's nothing that dog done by coming in there that deserves circle points. Any other time a dog comes into you in a hunt, he's minused so I'd say deleting him in this situation is giving him a big enough break.

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Richard, if dog B is 2 minutes behind on the track then he had absolutely nothing to do with treeing the coon. Heck if I was within 200 yards I could be at the tree before dog B.

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If my dog got to the tree after 2 minutes, I would hope he wasn't on the same track.

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A me too dog doesn't just follow one dog around. It goes from tree to tree who ever is making them. 50 and 75 on my tree and then 50 and 75 on your tree beats us both. I watched a bluetick female win the TX state hunt by going from my dogs tree to another guys trees all night. We both treed 3 coon apiece. She got a part of all 6 of them and never treed the first coon.

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My point exactly, if this bluetick would've gotten 25 points for the trees she backed on then she wouldn't have won. For me it has zero to do with what I'm packing for dog power or my preferences in dogs. It has to do with simple math and putting Honor in the the rules just like the name of them HONOR rules.

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