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Jen I know you are going to blast me for saying this but are the wins really worth scratching somebody for something minor to win at all cost ? I mean a title is easier then ever to obtain if you got a dog that will just tree a coon. Except at the major hunts unless I am wrong all wins are more less for personal satisfaction!! I can understand the $$$ hunts being more cutthroat but we are hunting for cast wins now !!!


Except for the blue ribbons and dog boxes I am giving everybody woooo hoooo !!


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I've seen it enough to know it keeps people from coming out. I'll take my scratch if me or my dog deserve it but I've seen it try to be used when it wasn't deserved.

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quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Question do you feel even remotely bad if someone were to get scratched while trying to help you find a coon in a tree if their dog isn't there? If not this is the scratch mentality I was talking about. Those who are more than happy to see competion taken out by a simple mistake.

Like I said earlier I canít remember the last time iv seen anyone get scratched unless it was a NtCh cast and we all got scratched, iv Never scratched anyone! But if someone breaks a rule for what ever reason an gets scratched how is that wrong? I donít like the rule where you get scratched for squalling to early or shining before the judge starts the time and several other rules I donít like but that donít give me or you the rite to ignore it.
I pay my money Iím gonna Hunt, with that said I paid $30 two weeks ago and hunted 3 minutes and withdrew cause I seen something I didnít like, now Iím Not gonna withdrew to keep you from getting scratched and I donít stay Hopeing you do. You reading way to much from my post I hunt because I enjoy it and have way better dog than to hope you get scratched so I can win, Donít think thatís even happened!

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Tar you asked me to help you rock this board today so Here gos.
Jen I respect you But your not gonna change my mind like you do some on this board with your hafe Page talking points and what ifís, Change the rules Not peopleís mind!

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watch how you use that mental issue my wife told me for years I always had one she said all you want to do is hunt and work,thats been a while now I am not telling what she says now.

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I agree with Jen and Chey about scratching someone over a minor infraction! If you can not win by beating the other dogs and just are hoping for something to scratch another dog to win, then you have a real problem. Yes rules are rules, but a man's character should not be defined by winning by default, it should be defined by honor at all times. I do not want a cheap win by default, I would hope that most of us would think the same way. Dave

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I agree

The scratch mentality drives me crazy. Squalling rule is by far the dumbest rule I've ever heard of. I agree with Josh as well in the fact that there are people out there that haven't done their homework and expect to win. They don't know the rules, don't know a coon dog, and don't know how to truly compete... This very thing got me wrote up (sorta) a few weeks ago and I'm still not sure what for... More people should hunt a month of $KC hunts throughout the week and run for a truck ticket. It teaches you a lot as far as getting beat by a dog/handler one night and going right back at them the next, night in and night out.

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My question pertains to do you grin like Chester the cat if someone gets scratched for some minor offense or do you feel even a little but bad? For those that love it there is a new tee shirt out I saw over the weekend... United Kennel Club, If you can't beat em' scratch em'.

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Tyler they know enough to hunt a instant first strike dog and an instant from 500 yards away 75 tree dog and lean on you all night long while your dog is treeing the coons and there is a bunch of them out there. You make one mistake and you are got. They donít do nothing but go to hunts with those dogs.


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Re: Scratching

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I agree with Jen and Chey about scratching someone over a minor infraction! If you can not win by beating the other dogs and just are hoping for something to scratch another dog to win, then you have a real problem. Yes rules are rules, but a man's character should not be defined by winning by default, it should be defined by honor at all times. I do not want a cheap win by default, I would hope that most of us would think the same way. Dave

Letís say a man is 275 behind the lead dog and he shines the tree before the judge starts the time he argues and donít take his scratch, 33 minutes later he wins the cast where is your honor in that?

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Explain that one to me josh I didnít get it. I was always taught to stay in until the end no matter what.



Tar



If you are down 800 with 10 minutes to go you gonna turn loose and hope the leader gets scratched?

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Re: Re: Scratching

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Letís say a man is 275 behind the lead dog and he shines the tree before the judge starts the time he argues and donít take his scratch, 33 minutes later he wins the cast where is your honor in that?


Are you asking where is the honor in coming from three coons down in a half hour to win is?

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quote:
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If you are down 800 with 10 minutes to go you gonna turn loose and hope the leader gets scratched?



Nope but I will put my dog in the box and help him find his coon.


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quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
My question pertains to do you grin like Chester the cat if someone gets scratched for some minor offense or do you feel even a little but bad? For those that love it there is a new tee shirt out I saw over the weekend... United Kennel Club, If you can't beat em' scratch em'.

Jen like I said iv never scratched anyone, but you an Dave show me where it says miner offense in the rules?

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Re: Re: Re: Scratching

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Are you asking where is the honor in coming from three coons down in a half hour to win is?

Nope Iím asking where is the honer not taking your scratch.

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quote:
Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Tar you asked me to help you rock this board today so Here gos.
Jen I respect you But your not gonna change my mind like you do some on this board with your hafe Page talking points and what ifís, Change the rules Not peopleís mind!


Go back and read the first post. It was started for those who disagree with simple change proposals that would get rid of some of these rules. Those that do are part of the scratch mentality hoping for a scratch so they can pull out a win.

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Nope but I will put my dog in the box and help him find his coon.


Tar



There ya go. Some guys don't hoping to scratch someone

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I want my wins the right way itís not supposed to be my win itís supposed to be my dogs win. If itís my win we will just pitch quarters.


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Scratching

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Nope Iím asking where is the honer not taking your scratch.


Boy youíd hate to draw me. Weíd run out of pen ink and youíd still get beat!

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Scratching

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Boy youíd hate to draw me. Weíd run out of pen ink and youíd still get beat!

Well Scooter I guess that makes you special.

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I think some of the scratching offense are waste of good paper. But I dont remember last time I saw a dog scratched that wasnt caught fighting. Prob be 50 cast at least.

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If a person started. kennel club where there was absolutely no way to get scratched other than going back to trees he would put everyone out of business. The rules would need to be
Strike them as soon as they bark
First tree only trees we are scoring first trees only if you tree second third or 4th and a coon is seen your strike is minus
Walk to the tree as soon as the dog is treed no waiting 5 minutes
Minus them for Off game
Let them fight
Let the handlers fight
Let them drink cold beer at the club house
Cut your dogs from the base of the tree you were treed up
Everything else as far and the 6 or 8 minutes on the strike or 2 minutes on hushing at the tree could be a copy cat from any kennel club at it would work.
The most important thing would be to hunt for money and lots of it. I promise you these style of hunts are more enjoyable than any other hint because Iíve hunted in a few Jackpot hunts that were a lot like this. If a person could give away big money under rules like these he would fill any entry he wanted to have.

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Tim

The honor is letting the best dog win, not sneaking in the back door on a honest mistake like shining a tree. I realize what the RULES say, but that's a mighty slim offense, just like a mistake on a scorecard. If you can win like that and call it honor, I am happy for you. Myself, I just do not want that kind of win. Now if the other dig or dogs do something like Tre off game and get scratched, that's a different story. Let the best dig wink not some scratch happy handler that does not have the dig power to win. I can't speak for no one but myself, but looking for something to scratch an otherwise decent handler over a silly mistake is just poor sportsmanship in my opinion and I am sticking to that opinion. How many times have you done something that you could have been scratched for, but was not scratched? If your answer is even once, I don't want to hear about RULES. We ALL have caught a break at least once probably several times if you have hunted in many hunts. I believe our comments are directed to those who feel the need to play the RULES when it benefits them and ignore the RULES when it would be to their disadvantage. Get a better dog and you won't worry about someone shining a tree to quick, or blowing a squaller to soon. Dave

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Double post, sorry

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Nearly all of that is Cheyenne's thoughts after reading through comments on some of the proposals but I wouldn't let him type what wanted to say lol. Lets just say his comments were not politically correct enough for this board.
Tar you know exactly what Josh means don't go playing the big d_/#y 😉. He is referencing the handler who has absolutely no chance of ever winning the cast but stays to the bitter end with the hope the others get scratched on some technically instead of getting out of the way of dogs who are truly competing for the win.



Now Jen , everyone knows Cheyenne , Tar and I are the staunch Bastions of politically correctness , and proper decorum. JMHO

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