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In the process of training my first pup, I’ve hunted a lot of hounds but always bought finished dogs. He’s 15 months and has treed his own coon. Lately he’s been working super slow and long tracks that never amount to anything. We’re in prime roasting ear season here and he’s slammed a couple trees if he hits one hot but if he starts one of these trails that’s the end of it because he won’t come off of it. I’m just gonna keep hunting him and see if he comes out of it. I’ve never had him run trash and he’s not moving it fast like a deer but I’ve started to wonder if he’s not trailing deer by scent or something. Anyone had similar things happen or any tips? I’ve had to call him off tracks a couple times because he was on them for over and hour and not heating anything up. Thanks in advance.

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It's to dry here and unless a dog can really push them, them coon play in the corn all night.

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Cornfields can be tuff, especially if your dry like we are. And he may be doing some back tracking. Its not an easy time of year. Imo

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It’s been dry here as well, and that very well could be the issue. I’m just new to the training thing and hate to miss something or not correct something and let a bad habit start. Hopefully we get some rain soon and fill the ditches back up.

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I wouldn't be too concerned!! Sounds to me it's just very dry conditions! We're pretty dry here and running hasn't been the greatest. I have beagles as well, tough running here the past couple of months

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it has nothing to do with the dry conditions . we look at game in dry conditions all year in the south. lol coons stay out in the corn all day and all night . your dog is fooling with old cold tracks made at noon.blue ticking .lol

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it has nothing to do with the dry conditions . we look at game in dry conditions all year in the south. lol coons stay out in the corn all day and all night . your dog is fooling with old cold tracks made at noon.blue ticking .lol

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If you suspect deer turn him on some if he runs them deal with it. Sounds like to me he may be trailing grey fox if he won't run deer trap a grey fox and set him up. Process of elimination. I have had dogs trail a little grey most of the night and never leave the corn field I turned loose in. Can't hurt and at least you will know what he will run and what he won't. Good Luck

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I to would assume trash. At least in my area that would be a strong bet. In my area better than 90 % of all tracks should be treed.

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could be bugs bunny .lol

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could be bugs bunny .lol

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If my dog trails a track that doesn't end then I automatically assume that he is trailing something that won't climb a tree. If it is warm enough and not too dry or dusty for him to start it then he should be able to finish it.

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In the process of training my first pup, I’ve hunted a lot of hounds but always bought finished dogs. He’s 15 months and has treed his own coon. Lately he’s been working super slow and long tracks that never amount to anything. We’re in prime roasting ear season here and he’s slammed a couple trees if he hits one hot but if he starts one of these trails that’s the end of it because he won’t come off of it. I’m just gonna keep hunting him and see if he comes out of it. I’ve never had him run trash and he’s not moving it fast like a deer but I’ve started to wonder if he’s not trailing deer by scent or something. Anyone had similar things happen or any tips? I’ve had to call him off tracks a couple times because he was on them for over and hour and not heating anything up. Thanks in advance.

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have you tried sending a more experienced hound in to make him pick it up ? some times hounds are just lazy and wont pick up there head and move on

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Sounds like to me he may be trailing grey fox if he won't run deer trap a grey fox and set him up. Process of elimination. I have had dogs trail a little grey most of the night and never leave the corn field I turned loose in. Can't hurt and at least you will know what he will run and what he won't. Good Luck

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I’d like to hunt him with some finished dogs but haven’t got to yet. It just rained the last 2 night here. I’m about to head out and see if he acts any better. Thanks for the advice.

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In the process of training my first pup, I’ve hunted a lot of hounds but always bought finished dogs. He’s 15 months and has treed his own coon. Lately he’s been working super slow and long tracks that never amount to anything.

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Time over distance. Couple hundred yards or so. He did take one about 600 yards the other night. He ran one last night for over and hour, kept circling out and ending up back at the same spot. I called him off of it went down the road and treed a coon in 10 minutes.

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Time over distance. Couple hundred yards or so. He did take one about 600 yards the other night. He ran one last night for over and hour, kept circling out and ending up back at the same spot. I called him off of it went down the road and treed a coon in 10 minutes.

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Go in and run him off of those type tracks

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I'm no trainer but have hunted for 60 years. The hardest thing to do is to decide when to let a dog figure it out for himself and when to interfere. I am sure that I have set dogs back by tying to help them too much. On thing that I think and this only my opinion but dogs do struggle in dry weather. How many times have you seen a dog strike where there was water but if the track left the water they struggled to move it. Also I have seen when it was really dry but the dogs work coon like it wasn't. So I would tell you to use your own judgement and know that whatever you do it may be right and it may be wrong. My Dad had a ton of patience with a young dog. I used to get upset sometimes that he would keep hunting the same dog even though it wasn't what I thought he needed to spend his time on. Well now I'am older than he was when he died and my thinking has changed a little. Couple years ago I bought a 12 month old dog and made myself a promise that I would hunt him till he was 2 regardless of what he did unless he got mean. Well today I have the best dog I have ever owned. Will he win the big hunts? No but he suits me.

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Don't generally like to reply on these type post.Here is my 2 cents.

You have a young dog that is running a track with no quit.

This is a great trait. Determination. I hate dogs that start tracks they can't handle then come in looking stupid at you after quitting it.

I believe from what you have wrote this young dog may have a colder nose.So he is going to start tracks he can not finish because he needs to learn how to un ravel the longer colder ones.
Some times these type dogs have to mature and let their brains catch up to their nose.Patience. Sit down and let them work it out.

Kittens are starting to move now.If a track is started that has more than one coon mingling tracks together .Even older experienced dogs have a time deciphering out coons feeding around and may explain the circling around and around.

You may just have a diamond in the rough.All he requires Is patience to let him unravel and learn to drift those tougher ones.It will pay off.
I won't pull a young dog off. I don't want them to learn or think it is okay to quit and come in to you.

Caution though as sometimes in an effort to move a track this type may be prone to back track. With our Garmins we now have it can be caught immediately before becoming a bad habit.


The only way I would guess grey fox.The tracks go several hundred yards with numerous tap trees .The track never warms up but keeps moving generally in a large circular area.

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I would also wonder about fox

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Just from my experience, rabbits tend to circle between 100-300yards. Grey fox tend to circle 300 yards a bit bigger. He's your dog. But my guess is the tracks he's booticking on is trash of some sort.

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why does everyone just assume its trash because its long , scratching my head on this one to top it off its in a corn field lol

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First of all without being there it is almost impossible to make an educated guess. Yes, it is fun to make a guess, but it is just that a guess

Last week, the following is something I witnessed, but it is still impossible to say this is what's happening. This time of year coons often move in the daylight making tracks very old. Last week I was getting ready to turn a young dog loose well after midnight. I could see a coon laid up in a tree about 1/4 mile away along a field edge. The young dog took a long time and ran fairly well until the track entered a rock hard corn field. The corn field must have been planted late. The corn was only knee high. The young dog did finally open the circle up to figure the coon left the field. The track ended up at the tree with the coon I had seen earlier. I was glad she finished the track successfully, but really wasn't pleased how it got done.

The long and short of it is keep the young dog in the woods, and remember it is a young dog.

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