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Richard Lambert
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Oh my goodness

I count 12 threads about the 2017 World Hunt just on the first page of the interweb. UKC hasn't even announced what they are going to do yet. And y'all wonder why it took UKC so long to decide what and how to come up with a solution.

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Ricky leaks has already leaked it to Facebook what do you want to know I will tell you lol




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So, "if" they have a rehunt will they allow Sambo to enter?
As I understand it, Sambo was qualified to Advance to the Finals without the extra coon that his handler added to the scorecard. So after they bar his handler, will they allow Sambo to rehunt with another handler? Sambo actually won his cast at the Zone without the extra coon being added and had a big enough score to Advance to the Finals. Wouldn't it be more fair to just bar the handler but not the dog? Then there would be no need for a rehunt and Sambo's win could stand.

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Your just stirring the pot you know the answer to that one.

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Richard Lambert
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I guess that my solution is too reasonable or makes too much sense.

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makes sense Richard. I bet it would be real easy to find a handler for the 1/2 breed now. lol

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So, "if" they have a rehunt will they allow Sambo to enter?
As I understand it, Sambo was qualified to Advance to the Finals without the extra coon that his handler added to the scorecard. So after they bar his handler, will they allow Sambo to rehunt with another handler? Sambo actually won his cast at the Zone without the extra coon being added and had a big enough score to Advance to the Finals. Wouldn't it be more fair to just bar the handler but not the dog? Then there would be no need for a rehunt and Sambo's win could stand.

Are they penalizing a dog for something a man did?

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That's how it works in the here in the wild , Wild West you screw up your dog gets it too I can't even believe y'all would even concider somthing like that if it would have been taken care of at the zones we wouldn't be having this conversation at all but everybody but walkers they go to a big hunt they get a king or queen trophy wheather they win anything or not .......y'all are spoiled !!!

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I guess that if 2 people own a dog and one of them handles the dog and falsifies a scorecard then he is barred. If the other owner doesnt speak out or distance himself, does that make him complicit and should he be barred also? I guess that if the owner of a dog is barred then the dog can't compete in UKC hunts. So maybe Sambo shouldn't be allowed to hunt. Tarbaby, does that make more sense?

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Richard we posted at the same time but I beat you yes your right !

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Its a shame. All the dog did was beat all challengers by treeing coon. Something i believe not all in the rehunt did. ( tree a coon in 2 hours)

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Get over it. Hillary lost and Sambo is barred.

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Sambo the winner in my book anyway let the looser's cry

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
So, "if" they have a rehunt will they allow Sambo to enter?
As I understand it, Sambo was qualified to Advance to the Finals without the extra coon that his handler added to the scorecard. So after they bar his handler, will they allow Sambo to rehunt with another handler? Sambo actually won his cast at the Zone without the extra coon being added and had a big enough score to Advance to the Finals. Wouldn't it be more fair to just bar the handler but not the dog? Then there would be no need for a rehunt and Sambo's win could stand.



Here is the whole deal in a nut shell.... The dog won fair and square. A handler thinking his score wasn't enough added a Coon.. Sambo won the cast without adding the Coon.. He would have advanced without the Coon added.. Sambo won the rest of his casts in the finals fair and square.. Sambo won the hunt.. the handler made a huge mistake... Sambo still won the world hunt in spite of all this mess.. Sambo is the true world champion regardless of this new outcome.. I hope that this rehunt BS is a flop and the 11 dogs cannot tree a Coon.. wouldn't that be a laugh..😂😂😂

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Jay because I have a lot of respect for you I will tell you like this his handler was pulling the Hankey panky way before the zones one club asked him not to come back for the same thing in today's society this younger bunch stretch the rules to the limit you get caught just go to anouther kc by you condoning what he did do you realize you sound just like him well he didn't need to add that coon to win ...... But he did it jay and he got caught he wasent innocent in the finals either that's why tucker is back in !! Like I said I got a lot of respect for you that's not a comment that I would think you thought out everybody has their opinion I earned my way their fair and square but I am setting at home and that's ok !! But really if you think about it if that cast had been delt with before the finals it would have changed the whole draw and there might have been a different final four. Us that earned our way there by judging both nights at the zones and paying to get to the finals are not complaining and I don't feel like the ones that didn't even try should either jmo.

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Here is the whole deal in a nut shell..... A handler thinking his score wasn't enough added a Coon.....

Oh my goodness. Is that what happened? That isn't what the handler and judge said. They say that it is all just a big "misunderstanding".

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Jay because I have a lot of respect for you I will tell you like this his handler was pulling the Hankey panky way before the zones one club asked him not to come back for the same thing in today's society this younger bunch stretch the rules to the limit you get caught just go to anouther kc by you condoning what he did do you realize you sound just like him well he didn't need to add that coon to win ...... But he did it jay and he got caught he wasent innocent in the finals either that's why tucker is back in !! Like I said I got a lot of respect for you that's not a comment that I would think you thought out everybody has their opinion I earned my way their fair and square but I am setting at home and that's ok !! But really if you think about it if that cast had been delt with before the finals it would have changed the whole draw and there might have been a different final four. Us that earned our way there by judging both nights at the zones and paying to get to the finals are not complaining and I don't feel like the ones that didn't even try should either jmo.

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I was just thinking about the same thing and was trying to find the thread where it was explained why the handler of the Tucker dog had the question on the card before he got scratched for cussing. Sounded like a judge/guide deal there too and not following proper procedure to score trees on that deal too. It is interesting that the Tucker dog is being brought back but UKC must have figured if Sambo and his handler hadn't have been in that cast then the circumstances wouldn't have happened for the handler of Tucker to be scratched over.

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say what

Yadkin , I respect you but use some punctuation (spell check that) so I can follow your post , long time reader.

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Really I type with my thumb don't know how to punctuate but I will try lol. Spellcheck gives you three choices I always pick the wrong one lol.

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Punctuations take the challenge out of reading and understanding the point the writer is trying to convey, which in some cases will take a post in a more interesting direction. Jmo

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Punctuations take the challenge out of reading and understanding the point the writer is trying to convey, which in some cases will take a post in a more interesting direction. Jmo


And a poster should leave a word or two out from time to time. Js

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Jay because I have a lot of respect for you I will tell you like this his handler was pulling the Hankey panky way before the zones one club asked him not to come back for the same thing in today's society this younger bunch stretch the rules to the limit you get caught just go to anouther kc by you condoning what he did do you realize you sound just like him well he didn't need to add that coon to win ...... But he did it jay and he got caught he wasent innocent in the finals either that's why tucker is back in !! Like I said I got a lot of respect for you that's not a comment that I would think you thought out everybody has their opinion I earned my way their fair and square but I am setting at home and that's ok !! But really if you think about it if that cast had been delt with before the finals it would have changed the whole draw and there might have been a different final four. Us that earned our way there by judging both nights at the zones and paying to get to the finals are not complaining and I don't feel like the ones that didn't even try should either jmo.

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Robert do you know the handler or are you just like this younger generation that just sits around and spreads rumors on the internet?

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Josh I was involved more than you know ! Now that being said its over wheather you hunt ukc or not they did the right thing there really was no right way to fix it and make everybody happy. I hunt in all registrys when I want to I used to let the dogs control my life. I always thought if I wasent winning my dog was no good now I love the time in the woods just me and the dog. I don't put nobody down for what hunts they like to hunt in but I do put them down for over compensating for their dog there is a lot of that now days in this case this has been going on a long time and the guilty party was caught nothing wrong with the dog he done his part you understand all this I don't need to explain it it's over , it's done , finished !


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I’m not sure how I feel about the rehunt, there’s good and bad but I don’t like the fact that a dog that got scratched gets to rehunt, he was scratched for his handlers actions so I don’t understand how he gets a free pass? What about the dog in sambo cast at the zone hunt They was affected by him?

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Other two dogs in Sambo's cast at zone did not have + points so they could not advance. We just have to trust that Mr Gingerich made the right decision. I am absolutely sure that he took his time; heard all of the evidence; considered all of the possibilities and made the right decision for all involved and coonhunting in general. Mr Gingerich is very intelligent, honest, logical and of the up most integrity. He has been a coonhunter for longer than most of us. He has the well being of "all" coonhunters to worry about, not just a few. Who are we to sit back on the sidelines with only parts of the evidence and our own personal biases and try to second guess his decision?

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