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Redneck Mafia
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The kicker is that the close dog cannot check in and when being recut for 2 hours they are likely to run out of coons to tree. A dog that only hunts out a few hundred yards is limited in it's sucess by it's hunting style, the terrain and coon population of the area. Some places deep is a necessity and some hunting locations not so much. We hunt a few where a dog may 800 yards before they ever get struck. A hunter is and will continue to be more successful hunting a dog that hunts until called in and trees coons wherever they are near or far. These dogs are not limited by they're hunting style.

A tree them as they come to them dog (accurately) and faster than the rest (track speed) is the best bet for consistent success the new no leash lock should highlight this even more.

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Bruce m. Conkey
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Redneck brought into the equation of where the dogs are being dropped at. Throw in the experience level of the guide guiding you to know where to take you. The moon cycles and the temperature plus is it a late round or early round. You then have a whole bunch of circumstances that your dogs has to overcome or get the benefit of hitting it just right.

In the old days it was frowned on to have a guide set up to give any handler an advantage. Different story today. Many of the guys on the competition circuit have hunted so much they can guide themselves in many locations with permission. Just the way it is and nothing wrong with it. You have to have coon and they should be moving if your going to put points on a card.

Good owners and handlers know exactly in which conditions their dog shines in. Some shine bright in most of them but some don't do so good in some of them either.

If close hunting was my cup of tea. I would probably not own a full blooded hound. Some type of cur of fiest maybe. You want a fast car you get one with horse power. You want an economical car to just get around, then you find one of those. You don't buy a race car and hope for it to have a lawn mower engine. Because your scared to go fast.

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Richard Lambert
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How many dogs in the big money hunts have had the 15 started on them? In the past you didn't know but with play by play we now know. If you are walking to those deep dogs, the close hunters should have plenty of woods to hunt. You never stand still for 15 minutes anymore.

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Preacher Tom
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Been thinking about all that has been said and I think there may be some confusion on what a close or medium hunting dog is and and what a deep hunting dog is. What I want and really consider a necessity is a dog that hunts the close area well and then just keeps getting deeper if he hasn't found something. Now I don't know if you call that a close hunting dog or not. Have no use for a dog that gets deep just to be deep but don't like one that goes 400 yards and comes back and is thru.

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Redneck brought into the equation of where the dogs are being dropped at. Throw in the experience level of the guide guiding you to know where to take you. The moon cycles and the temperature plus is it a late round or early round. You then have a whole bunch of circumstances that your dogs has to overcome or get the benefit of hitting it just right.

In the old days it was frowned on to have a guide set up to give any handler an advantage. Different story today. Many of the guys on the competition circuit have hunted so much they can guide themselves in many locations with permission. Just the way it is and nothing wrong with it. You have to have coon and they should be moving if your going to put points on a card.

Good owners and handlers know exactly in which conditions their dog shines in. Some shine bright in most of them but some don't do so good in some of them either.

If close hunting was my cup of tea. I would probably not own a full blooded hound. Some type of cur of fiest maybe. You want a fast car you get one with horse power. You want an economical car to just get around, then you find one of those. You don't buy a race car and hope for it to have a lawn mower engine. Because your scared to go fast.




Bruce I think your using quid quo pro !! You said it your self say your guiding your own cast. Then you been there a week before the hunt and you own ole babble deep and alone. And you make sure there are no close coons for a dog to tree behind ole babble deep and alone. Then itís a horse race to see who gets to that one coon or circle slick is that the definition of a real coondog to you. Would you be confident you could feed your family with hides with that dog.


With that I yield.


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Bruce m. Conkey
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Tar unfortunately I think your mind might be a little clouded. I have been around these hunts for many years. Drove miles in trucks with fellow hunters. I never heard one say they wanted to guide so they could guide in thin coon or they wanted to be taken to thin coon. My circle of competition always said the more coon the merrier it will be. We evaluated the leaves on the trees as we got close to the hunting location. We wanted thin or no leaves and plenty of coon. That is a FL boys dream, because we always have leaves and few coon.

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Tar unfortunately I think your mind might be a little clouded. I have been around these hunts for many years. Drove miles in trucks with fellow hunters. I never heard one say they wanted to guide so they could guide in thin coon or they wanted to be taken to thin coon. My circle of competition always said the more coon the merrier it will be. We evaluated the leaves on the trees as we got close to the hunting location. We wanted thin or no leaves and plenty of coon. That is a FL boys dream, because we always have leaves and few coon.



Are you denying that happens ? And are you denying keeping others on the leash ( closer hunting coon treeing dogs ) is part of the strategy ?


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Tar, I knew better.

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Tar, I knew better.



With that I yield lol.


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How many dogs in the big money hunts have had the 15 started on them? In the past you didn't know but with play by play we now know. If you are walking to those deep dogs, the close hunters should have plenty of woods to hunt. You never stand still for 15 minutes anymore.


It does happen but not very often.

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Nathan Phenix
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Wont have to breed for closer hunting dogs. Same as most of the alone and deep dogs are made so will people tone there dogs and train them to hunt out to distance they want. You tone a dog a bunch most time it will take some the hunt out of them. We have the tools to mold dogs a lot different ways. Brains, Nose and Hustle and a good handler wins the hunts under any rules. But them are 3 things hard to come up with in one package.

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bryantaylor1979
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In my opinion I would take a dog that just takes them as they come. I have won more cast than you can count because my dog trees as they come, usually close (within 300 yards) and on a recut still put coons up at that yardage. Point being if the dog puts up coons close why go deep? 90% of the time he is split treed by himself. On a bad night he might get 0.7 of a mile with a coon. Point being that those type of dogs can put up 2 maybe 3 coons to a dog that goes in a straight line deep passing up coons just to tree a one coon in a hour. I want a dog that takes them as they come and not be able to watch him go in a straight line on the garmin for 1/2 a mile before his nose hits the ground. I used to have a dog that wouldn't tree any closer than 900 yards each cut. He was accurate as hell but did get beat more times due to a dog that puts coons up close. Also look at all the hunt time waisted for walking. Just my opinion.

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