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Craig Edwards
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BBOA .....BBCHA.....as ONE???

I have hunted blueticks for the biggest part of 50 years, and plan to continue as long as I am able. I appreciate both bluetick organizations, and those who have worked hard so that we can, in an organized way, promote the breed we choose, and love.
I know this is a very controversial subject, and many will be quick to disagree with me, and that is perfectly ok.
I wish there was a way the two major organizations could merge, and become one. I fear that some, on both sides, consider the other side to be rivals, while both organizations should be about promoting the furtherance of the bluetick breed, and uniting those who hunt, show, breed, and own them.
Many would be concerned about the history of each organizations, and history is important, but even more important is our future. Anything, and I mean anything that does not reproduce dies............plain and simple. There are more of us older members than there are younger members, and in a few years many of us will be gone. The youth should be a BIG part of each organization today, and will be 100% of the organizations tomorrow. I don't think the need is for a new organization, but rather a uniting of the two that exists. When any organization goes into the "Maintenance Mode" it's just a matter of time before things start declining, and we may be headed in that direction right now. The surest way to grow anything is word of mouth.....and that is created through EXCITEMENT!!! It may never happen, but it could happen!!! It would not be easy, but could be accomplished by everyone putting their personal agendas aside, and moving forward for the sake of "Ole Blue." Fanciers of the bluetick hound should have the opportunity to promote their hound, regardless of which side of the Mississippi River they live on, and regardless of which side of the Mason-Dixon Line they live on. A united bluetick association could make that happen. I think the memberships would increase; you would see a phenomenal Blue Book, and I believe it would be easier to get people involved instead of a few, in each organization, having to do most (all) of the work. If this post provokes someone to think............it was worth sharing!!!
The only REASON I am making this post is because I believe we should be driven by our future, not our past.
..... Sincerely yours, for better blues!!!

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I've been a member of both associations for many years. BBOA was the first one I joined. Paul & Tim Vaughn introduced the association to me. I'm sure both sides, during the original split, had reasons. The associations have been like two rival high schools, 10 miles apart. Neither school wants to give up their mascot when the financial backing forces them to consolidate. Memberships in both associations have been up and down but generally declining. Bluebook ads have followed that trend. Major hunts have also followed that trend. How long will it be until finances force the merger? It's coming. Do members want to be pro-active and positive choosing to unite for a stronger association? The less desireable option is continue as is until one association completely sinks. Sadly, at that point, there is no merger. There's just one struggling association. The second issue in keeping two associations strong is leaders that have time, time away from family, resources and a strong desire to promote the bluetick hound. Thank you Mr Edwards for your comments.

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Look at Washington DC. NO BODY wants to do what would be better for the masses. I do agree with you 2

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Craig Edwards
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Right now, it cost 60.00 to join both associations, and 200.00 for full page ads in both bluebooks. This is not a big deal to some, but to some it is! IT forces bluetick fanciers to make a choice. Jesus talked about the power in being unified, and He also talked about the inevitable consequences of being divided. People are afraid of moving out of their comfort zones, for fear of failure. They are called "Comfort Zones" for a reason. I'm convinced the founders of both organizations were visionaries. They acted in the knowledge, and within the means that were available to them at that time. The world is constantly changing, and if we get so bedded down in our comfort zone, we are afraid to make changes, we get left behind.

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From the outside looking in.

This is my opinion and only mine so take it for what is worth. About 6 or 7 years ago I was a die hard black and tan guy and couldn't find what I was looking for in that color so I called a good friend and asked him to find me a nice young bluetick since he was a blue guy. Man did that change my future. I did not know the reason or the agendas behind having two associations and personally didn't care and really still don't. So I didn't have the history in the breed and the background that many of you do. What I have seen being the new guy on the block and attending both associations major events and both the major *kc's events is this. They are both backed by a great group of people that have made me feel like long lost family. I see these guys trying very hard with little recognition for their efforts. I have tried to help at any event I have been to for the simple reason I hunt blueticks . I am a coonhunter and want to make everyone feel like part of the family as they all did to me. These guys behind the scenes doing a lot of hard work and promotion of the associations and the breed.Imagine what they could do if they all worked together. The sky is the limit. It would ease the burden on a small few to where instead of having 5 or 6 guys doing it all on both sides now we have 10 or 12 really putting the best foot forward. Look at it from this point of view. If you have a high school football team and only have 8 players your options are very limited on what you can accomplish because the same guy that is the quarterback is now defensive end . In the long run they get tired and break down and only give 50%going each way because they are stretched to thin. If you have a full roster it's an easier load to carry. The officers on both sides do an outstanding job. My hat's off to all of you. If we came together as 1 I personally think it would produce a breed association that would be incredible. Seeing the type of work you all put in for the individual associations It would only be a positive move for both associations. Financially and for the common goal of bettering the bluetick breed and promoting its future ,this move only makes sense. Everyone working as one and having a few premier hunts a year that both are working to promote. Wow is all I can say. This would be great. So lets write down the history and tell the stories of how it used to be but leave that behind us and that there came a point of some great leaders that stepped up and united us all and forged a path to the future of bluetick coonhunters and breeders.

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I don't really know the history behind there being 2 organizations, but at this point in time I don't really see a big rivalry at least not between the people that actually attend the events. Most hard core Blueticker's I know belong to both organizations and attend events from both, primarily supporting those events that are somewhat close to home. I've never heard someone say something derogitory about someone else because they are part of one or the other and I don't know anybody that would drive right past a Bluetick event close to home just to attend one put on by a different Bluetick organization but farther down the road. Maybe it happens, but I have not seen it in the circle of people I know that actually attend the Bluetick events. I kind of agree it would be a simpler world if they were to merge, but lets face it, there is zero chance of that happening in the near future.

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There are a lot of good points made on this post. I feel the same way as most of you. Can someone answer the question why it will not happen? I do not believe they both would not get what each wanted and I do not understand how it would not be better for the breed ? Thanks to all that have and are currently helping out. I would think we could get a lot more accomplished with one association. I for one would like to see more conversation on this through both associations and not become another post that goes nowhere.

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I am not a member of either one, being new with blueticks, which one would you recommend if you only could join one?

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quote:
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I am not a member of either one, being new with blueticks, which one would you recommend if you only could join one?
I donít know which one is the most active in your area; talk to some bluetick people to find out. They are both good organizations. The BBOA president is not seeking re-election and he is a good man.

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I am not a member of either one, being new with blueticks, which one would you recommend if you only could join one?
This post makes my point. If you own blueticks , you shouldnít have to choose. The breed / owners would be better off if there was only one UNITED association. No one can give 100% to both. JMO

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I donít see it as one being bigger, or better than the other. I see one being the biggest and best it can possibly be. In order for the breed to reach its FULLEST POTENTIAL, we must come together. Again this is my opinion. I appreciate what the officers do, but imagine the power that could be generated if these two, great rivers could come together as one!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Craig Edwards
I donít know which one is the most active in your area; talk to some bluetick people to find out. They are both good organizations. The BBOA president is not seeking re-election and he is a good man.



I was referring to Darren Batterson. He's a good man. There's a lot of good people in both organizations.

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Are you kidding me ?

If 1 organization ,was the best solution ,don't you think ,the men who dedicated their time ,money and expertise ,would have done this in the beginning ? If money is a big deal then pick the organization that you can afford ,that suits you best and go with it . Do you go to your home state and ask them to lower the rate on the turnpike ,because you want to take a trip and might not have enough money for gas if you pay the toll ,especially if you want to go 75 mph and know your vehicle will use more gas to get there quicker ? Or,do you want the state to remove the bridge that that's leads to the faster more costly road or remove the one that leads to the cheapest ,slowest and safest road ? The people who built both bridges did it for a reason : to have a CHOICE ,so you aren't monopolized or pressured .Each route has its advantages as well as its disadvantages . Take your choice of routes ,one or the other, if you cant do both ,nor want to do both. Don't burn one bridge and expect the other not to wash out, collapse or turn into a toll road .I belong to both BBOA & BBCHA ,but am concerned about the BBOA ,as I paid my dues for 2017 in November and just finally got my membership card last week . (jan.17,2018) One other point here , why aren't you guys including B.O.S.S. members (Blueticks of Southern States ) if you're wanting to be 1 big happy bluetick family ? leaving them out could be considered racist/discriminatory ,don't you think ?(since those dogs are U.K.C. registered ,too.) JMO

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