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So this weekend while hunting a slam at the world hunt I got into a bit of an argument with the judge about when I needed to recast.

1. It was a 3 dog cast and dogs A and B were handled at a tree and the dog C was not struck in. I wanted to pull off the tree and immediately turn loose as I knew the dog C was probably treed somewhere and we'd hear him as soon as we pulled off which would leash lock me. The judge tried to make me hold mine but I cut anyways knowing this rule. The dog C struck soon after followed by Dog B that was treed with mine and recut also.

2. My dog goes back to the same tree because I literally pulled him right off and recut him. But now dog B was struck so unless she got treed I wouldn't be leash locked. Now this is my real question. I wanted to lead off this tree a short distance before recutting my dog to prevent the going back. The judge kept saying something about a minute rule of which I don't believe exists.

3. With that being said what is the time length in which you HAVE to recut your dog when leading off of a tree if all dogs are trailing?

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there is no time limit for recasting the 1 min rule is a rule in another registry

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there is no time limit for recasting the 1 min rule is a rule in another registry

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Correct, it is not a time factor, you must recast when the 8 is broke.

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Correct, it is not a time factor, you must recast when the 8 is broke.

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I hunt all registries and this was my argument. But as a judge or in the rulebook when MUST you recut in UKC? There's no indicated time, no black and white, no nothing. what prevents someone from just leading their 2-300 yards and then recutting vs cutting right off the tree?

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There IS a black and white rule. 11(b) dog(s) MUST be turned loose with dogs opening on trail. That means when the 8 is broke, you must cast your dog at that point or, if a dog is treed, you inform the judge that you choose not to recast. But that means you dog stays on leash until you score the next tree.

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Tyler, the Advisor clarifies that if you choose not to recast your dog when another dog is treed, then you must keep your dog on leash until the next tree is scored.

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You should have been scratched for turning loose before judge said too , even if you know he is wrong the judge has control of the cast and had every right to scratch you , I know I would have.

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Tyler, the Advisor clarifies that if you choose not to recast your dog when another dog is treed, then you must keep your dog on leash until the next tree is scored.

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You should have been scratched for turning loose before judge said too , even if you know he is wrong the judge has control of the cast and had every right to scratch you , I know I would have.

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Normally that my moto as well. I usually have a certain time in my head where I walk all dogs the same distance or time to recut so its fair to all. But I didn't know where it specifically said when you HAVE to recut. I figured there was a rule somewhere but I have yet to see it is all.

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You cannot recast a dog unless the other dogs are opening on track

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You cannot recast a dog unless the other dogs are opening on track

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You could try but id question it and win 10 times out of 10. I'm not holding my dog on a lead when there's nothing struck and waiting just so someone else could get struck and treed and leash lock me. Not going to happen in any way shape or form. If you're judging my cast you better know the rules or you sure wont like me. I'm dang sure not going to get punished because my dog got treed and yours blew through the country out of hearing and allow you to get struck for 100 and treed for 125 while I'm holding mine.

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Your wrong and you would lose 10 out of 10 times , what you did was cheating by recasting without being told to do so , you tried to gain a unfair advantage your dog went back to the same tree, I bet you waited a min before recasting again , You can bet I know the rules a whole lot better than you think I do , and I am respected by all that have known me for 50 plus years ,we will se if you can say that in another 45 years.

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Where is Jim? I don't know where it is but somewhere it says that it is up to the handler when he wants to recut his dog, not the judge. The judge is supposed to ask you how far, not tell you. I know that when I am judging, I always tell handlers to tell me when they are far enough.

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Ok,so this is a very good question right here.....how should it be handled when the judge says you cannot cast your dog when the rule clearly states you must cast your dog?
This isn't one that can be satisfied by just putting your question on the card because not being allowed to cast your dog at this point, with other dogs out competing for 1st strike can be a substantial game changer.
So when you are holding your dog on leash ready cast to other dogs loose, hunting and not struck in, and the judge says you can't cast till one barks, what is right? Ignore the judge and cast anyway or hold your dog and forfeit your chance at 100 strike?
I know I'm casting and we'll setting any scratching back at the club.

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Where is Jim? I don't know where it is but somewhere it says that it is up to the handler when he wants to recut his dog, not the judge. The judge is supposed to ask you how far, not tell you. I know that when I am judging, I always tell handlers to tell me when they are far enough.

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Ok,so this is a very good question right here.....how should it be handled when the judge says you cannot cast your dog when the rule clearly states you must cast your dog?
This isn't one that can be satisfied by just putting your question on the card because not being allowed to cast your dog at this point, with other dogs out competing for 1st strike can be a substantial game changer.
So when you are holding your dog on leash ready cast to other dogs loose, hunting and not struck in, and the judge says you can't cast till one barks, what is right? Ignore the judge and cast anyway or hold your dog and forfeit your chance at 100 strike?
I know I'm casting and we'll setting any scratching back at the club.

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I agree with Jim 100%, I am casting my dog in that situation and taking any call contrary to the MOH. Dave

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Oh my goodness, I thought that you knew all of the official interpretations. Are you saying that if you lead off of a tree and a dog is struck in and barking, then you have to cut your dog 10 ft away from the tree? Allen told me that so it must be in the advisor somewhere.

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Oh my goodness, I thought that you knew all of the official interpretations. Are you saying that if you lead off of a tree and a dog is struck in and barking, then you have to cut your dog 10 ft away from the tree? Allen told me that so it must be in the advisor somewhere.

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So this weekend while hunting a slam at the world hunt I got into a bit of an argument with the judge about when I needed to recast.

1. It was a 3 dog cast and dogs A and B were handled at a tree and the dog C was not struck in. I wanted to pull off the tree and immediately turn loose as I knew the dog C was probably treed somewhere and we'd hear him as soon as we pulled off which would leash lock me. The judge tried to make me hold mine but I cut anyways knowing this rule. The dog C struck soon after followed by Dog B that was treed with mine and recut also.

2. My dog goes back to the same tree because I literally pulled him right off and recut him. But now dog B was struck so unless she got treed I wouldn't be leash locked. Now this is my real question. I wanted to lead off this tree a short distance before recutting my dog to prevent the going back. The judge kept saying something about a minute rule of which I don't believe exists.

3. With that being said what is the time length in which you HAVE to recut your dog when leading off of a tree if all dogs are trailing?

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