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I own a straight still mouth plott female when she opens she's treed. I think this rule needs thrown out I seriously don't understand how it can be an advantage because the dog will most likely take third or forth strike my female is that way but makes up for it with 1st trees. I'll honestly say this rule has kind of kept me from hunting her in the hunts.

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This rule came about because "hound dogs" open on track. They aren't supposed to be silent. Every Coonhound breed standard calls for an open mouth hound. Could you register your Plott if it had white spots on it's back? Long ago hounds opened on track and cur dogs were silent. So UKC said that you couldn't hunt a hound that was silent.

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Never see anyone debating the disqualification characteristics on dogs in a bench show but whole different story when they are in the woods. I don’t feel that UKC should implement the “Common Core” or “No Child left behind” system in our hunts. Please don’t let me hear of a “No hound left behind” hunt. We used to cull dogs that didn’t fit the part and breed for ones that did. Every dog is not owed a opportunity just because he is registered. Just like you and I aren’t owed a thing. We have to work for it. Same goes with dogs. You have to work for it. If they can’t reach the bar that’s set, Ukc is not responsible for lowering it, and no rules should be manipulated to where someone can just lift the dog up to the bar. There’s way too much of this going on and people breed this stuff thinking it’s gonna get better. Quality off dogs are down. Seems a man gets one to treeing a few turn loose coons he’s got dog in a hunt following Saturday. More concerned in Putting dogs picture stretched out on a tree on Facebook for world to see than to be putting the woods time on dog and getting it right. And as for all the breeders off the year we have today...... People get these dogs that don’t make and breed them because they are off ole So and So or there grandsire was a big name hound. Look, you aren’t breeding to the their sire, grandsire, etc...... You are breeding to the dog standing in front of you. That being said, How can you expect that dog to throw anything any better than it is? I do believe in a throwback now and again but the rarity is far more unlikely to happen. 32yrs and counting in the sport and I’ve seen the quality off dogs nose dive. Just my opinion

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Thank you sir for your comment. The truth if I have ever heard it

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Amen!

Maybe there can be a sanctioned event held to ratify all of the discrepancies everyone has each year. A so called Special Olympics type of Hunt for these dogs. Probably would be a record breaking turnout form all I read on here. 😂😂😂

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I own a straight still mouth plott female when she opens she's treed. I think this rule needs thrown out I seriously don't understand how it can be an advantage because the dog will most likely take third or forth strike my female is that way but makes up for it with 1st trees. I'll honestly say this rule has kind of kept me from hunting her in the hunts.

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His silent dog SHOULD keep him out of the hunts. Just as a dog that trees a possum every night or a dog that fights anything that covers should be kept out of the hunts. If a dog has a disqualifying the fault, why in the world would you take it to a nite hunt? If he wants to participate, then he should get a dog that can compete within the rules. There are plenty of them out there. My guess is that the nite hunts are not really all that important to him.

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Amen fellas. Called trail hounds for a reason

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His silent dog SHOULD keep him out of the hunts. Just as a dog that trees a possum every night or a dog that fights anything that covers should be kept out of the hunts. If a dog has a disqualifying the fault, why in the world would you take it to a nite hunt? If he wants to participate, then he should get a dog that can compete within the rules. There are plenty of them out there. My guess is that the nite hunts are not really all that important to him.

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I dont own and never would own still mouth dog wont own chop mouth track dog. And I expect for the rules to be enforced with out exception. But addressing things a little differently is all I'm saying. You never know who is the person posting is or there knowledge of rules or heritage of hounds. Could be kid, could be someone just starting out in coonhunting. Had boy draw out with me Saturday green as gourd drove over hour to come hunt with dog that had no chance competing. Didnt know rules at all. Said he hunted alone and just wanted go with someone else. Wouldnt took much make sure he never came back.

Just treat people with respect and open mind of there knowledge or lack of is all I'm saying.

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I dont own and never would own still mouth dog wont own chop mouth track dog. And I expect for the rules to be enforced with out exception. But addressing things a little differently is all I'm saying. You never know who is the person posting is or there knowledge of rules or heritage of hounds. Could be kid, could be someone just starting out in coonhunting. Had boy draw out with me Saturday green as gourd drove over hour to come hunt with dog that had no chance competing. Didnt know rules at all. Said he hunted alone and just wanted go with someone else. Wouldnt took much make sure he never came back.

Just treat people with respect and open mind of there knowledge or lack of is all I'm saying.

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I own a straight still mouth plott female when she opens she's treed. I think this rule needs thrown out I seriously don't understand how it can be an advantage because the dog will most likely take third or forth strike my female is that way but makes up for it with 1st trees. I'll honestly say this rule has kind of kept me from hunting her in the hunts.

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Some people also get hung up on color. Does what color a hound is determine how well it can tree a coon?
It is very simple. Hounds are supposed to be open trailers. If a dog is not an open trailer, then it is not a hound no matter how many coons it trees. Being silent on track has always been a disqualifying fault. As I tried to explain earlier, you are actually asking to change the hound standard by asking to change the rule to allow silent dogs to be hunted.

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I wonder if conforming it breed standards has hurt the health of our hounds

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His silent dog SHOULD keep him out of the hunts. Just as a dog that trees a possum every night or a dog that fights anything that covers should be kept out of the hunts. If a dog has a disqualifying the fault, why in the world would you take it to a nite hunt? If he wants to participate, then he should get a dog that can compete within the rules. There are plenty of them out there. My guess is that the nite hunts are not really all that important to him.

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I own a straight still mouth plott female when she opens she's treed. I think this rule needs thrown out I seriously don't understand how it can be an advantage because the dog will most likely take third or forth strike my female is that way but makes up for it with 1st trees. I'll honestly say this rule has kind of kept me from hunting her in the hunts.

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Amen!

Maybe there can be a sanctioned event held to ratify all of the discrepancies everyone has each year. A so called Special Olympics type of Hunt for these dogs. Probably would be a record breaking turnout form all I read on here. 😂😂😂

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I say scratch the silent and scratch the babblers and let rest of us enjoy COONHUNTING

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Knew the Democrats would post on here eventually.... America today.... Can’t hurt anybody’s feelings. How are they supposed to know any different if no one ever tells them anything else?

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Knew the Democrats would post on here eventually.... America today.... Can’t hurt anybody’s feelings. How are they supposed to know any different if no one ever tells them anything else?

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Look I intended no disrespect. Man says we are down on participation. I’m not after participation. I want a quality hunt with quality competition. At the end of the day UKC is a business. I Burn my fuel, my time, and spend my money to go to a hunt. Intern I feel I deserve the best possible product and experience I can get. Don’t you know we are paying customers at the end of the day? When you go spend your hard earned money at a restaurant or resort, don’t you want a quality meal, stay, etc....? You don’t want a rude waiter or screaming kids running everywhere like babbling dogs whole time you are trying to enjoy what you paid for do you? Doesn’t matter how much food they pile on your plate if its not worth eating right? These places have rules to prohibit these things as should our registry.Hello....

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Jim I didn't know there was a rule that said a dog shouldn't cover another dog.

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Some people also get hung up on color. Does what color a hound is determine how well it can tree a coon?
It is very simple. Hounds are supposed to be open trailers. If a dog is not an open trailer, then it is not a hound no matter how many coons it trees. Being silent on track has always been a disqualifying fault. As I tried to explain earlier, you are actually asking to change the hound standard by asking to change the rule to allow silent dogs to be hunted.

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Wasn't very long ago being a crossbred was a "disqualifying fault", or at least prevented participation as a registered hound. I/we/they can change our standards at the drop of a hat, always have.

Rule could be amended, without infringing on anyone's preference. Leave the strike points to reward the "hound" that runs around barking, but don't prevent the silent dog from participation. And if the silent dog that doesn't get struck is able to overcome and wins regularly, maybe people will start defining a hound as a dog that trees coon, not a dog that runs around barking fast and alot.

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Best post on this subject, I hunt open mouth dogs and if a silent mouth dog can beat them, it just means the silent dog is a better dog. I do not mind hunting with a silent mouth dog or getting beat by one. If I do not win, it's because I do not have the best dog in my cast, I won't make excuses period. If you can't beat a silent dog when you are getting an advantage in strike points, you deserve to lose. Dave

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