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May be we are useing the wrong yard stick, to judge our hounds by. Back when hunts were 3 hours, in the later stages, of the hunt, a hound with a good cold nose, had an advantage over a hot nose dog. Today, we are breeding for hurry, hurry up, a lot of dogs, run the coon backwards, and grab a slick tree, just to be first. I love to hear a good cold nose track dog, fly with a cold track, with his head in the air, and get treed with the meat.

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I agree its all about the tree .Most dont care if theres a coon there or not.I get to the tree i want see see some meat.I dont think there are to many cold nose dogs out there any more.[have blessed day]

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the hunts are not a measuring stick at all.i have seen dogs i wouldnt feed win.i hunted with a female 1 night she had 3 first place wins.the little dog wouldnt even get out of range of your hunting light.but she could sure tree a feeder bucket coon.
people are putting to much stock in papers.papers dont tree coons.

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AMEN i been sayin that for years.never seen a set of papers tree a coon.I have put dogs on here for sale from time to time.People call an all they are concerned about are the papers.

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if you had a female that could move a cold track and have the meat most of the time who would you breed to that had these same traits ?

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I would go straight to Tex. He has about all the traits to make a coon dog in anybodys book. Remember I said Tex.

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My dog isn't as fast as most...mostly cause he's handicapped missing a paw but he's one accurate son of a gun and that's most important to me. That's how he made night champion. Other dogs slick and he took his time working tough tracks and got the coon...even shut the other dogs out. I was so proud of my handicapped black dog that night 👍😁

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May be we are useing the wrong yard stick, to judge our hounds by. Back when hunts were 3 hours, in the later stages, of the hunt, a hound with a good cold nose, had an advantage over a hot nose dog. Today, we are breeding for hurry, hurry up, a lot of dogs, run the coon backwards, and grab a slick tree, just to be first. I love to hear a good cold nose track dog, fly with a cold track, with his head in the air, and get treed with the meat.

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The comp. hunts are becoming a more bastardized version of coonhunting, the more time goes on.

IMO, one shining little light in all this is the HTX. Its dog versus coon. Isn't that what coonhunting is supposed to be? If done right, you go to the woods with the inspector. The inspector has no agenda or axe to grind and besides just evaluating your dog, the inspector is going to be a witness.

IMO, if improvements can be made in the sport, this is where it can most likely happen. HTX's don't evaluate tracking ability, but why can't the evaluation process be expanded to show how long and how far a dog worked a track? Why not make the evaluation an electronic record that includes a video of the dog treeing and perhaps catches his track mouth and locate? Or, have his Garmin track viewable on the 'net? How nice would it be to get on the internet and go click on a potential stud dog's HTX record? Not only do you see the evaluation form, have the ph. no. and email address of the inspector, but you also have some pictures, Garmin info. and video?

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The HTX program , seriously how many ways can that be manipulated by the crooks of the dog world

Rebecca , know one has ever confused a Me Too Dog for a coon dog , They always get a bad rap their just slow coon dogs , that needed to be culled


joe we need to go hunting , I want to see these dogs you have , and a dog flying with his head up in the air running a track , more than likely its not a cold track

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The HTX program , seriously how many ways can that be manipulated by the crooks of the dog world

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Probably as many ways as nite hunts are manipulated by crooks of the dog world.

I know its a big assumption but if HTX and nite hunts are both done legit, the HTX is still more about coonhunting, imo.

HTX is not as flashy and doesn't look as good splashed across magazines and the internet but coonhunting is a man, dog, coon, and the woods at night.

Coonhunting isn't about publicity, one-upping another person or tearing up Facebook with "look at me" type stuff.....

JMO. I'll shuddup, now....

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Look at me type stuff makes it more interesting , And honestly im not sure that 70% of the winning dogs out there would leave your feet by their self , the HTX thing can be accomplished at a bar and buying the judge a drink or 2 or even a caged coon being used , I know nothing about it other than its you your dog and a judge , If it takes a dog 40 min to find a coon 100 yards and another 40 min to tree it ,,, Does that dog need a degree and papers that says it a coon dog by its self ,,, Not to me it don't

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"Rebecca , know one has ever confused a Me Too Dog for a coon dog , They always get a bad rap their just slow coon dogs , that needed to be culled"

Really!!!! What is your definition of a "Me too" dog??? Maybe we are not on the same page.

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Let me turn the page and see if we are , I was being sarcastic , A me too dog is the dog who beats them guys that think they have a dead loaner , and then they go around saying it was a me too dog that beat them , Because that dog helped tree his coon and the other dogs coon and maybe one of his own ,,, But hes still considered a me to dog because he didn't get every first tree

Hey I have had my share of them , and the one I have is not to proud to back one now ,,,so what was the Question


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A countdown on tree. 1st or 4th strike I could care less, 1st tree important. 2-4 tree give em 25 or nothing don't matter. The measuring stick been broke a while.

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sumtimes it takes a good nose to keep a hot track hot,when a coon wont climb during the hot weather,in a dry soy bean patch,but he wound up catcing the coon about 2hrs later,seen a lot dogs hit hot but let the coon get to far ahead and lose it because it was 2 dry,

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John D.
I agree with you I like the idea of your dog being evaluated. I'm all about the HTXs. I also like your idea that it could go steps farther with evaulating tracks and such.
It's not as easy as you think gettin a pass on your hound. Think of all the sour nites of bad huntin you forget about when you have several hunts that you remember cause they were gooduns.
Well HTX, you have to take what ever time and what ever timber you get guided to.
I agree that there is always going to be the dishonest that will find the gray area in the rules or just downright cheat. For the most part that is not the case. IMO
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I don't really think much is broken about the hunts. It's a hound and handler combo. The BEST handler in the world can't win if his dog doesn't put coon in trees.

The best combo is to show up at a hunt with a dog that trees the most coon in the shortest amount of time and have a handler that can quickly call it when treed. At the end of the night, the dog that treed the most coon usually wins!!! It ain't rocket science. People can whine n cry about babblers and me to this and that till the cows come home. Just get a coondog and let the rest take care of itself!

If anything was done to help UKC I would suggest a tree count down. But, it ain't the end of the world either bc there are other registries that have one already.

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This is a debate that wont be won.

People say hunts don't matter and they don't care they are rigged people cheat whatever BUT they buy pups from GrNts and you don't see pr dogs on the trl either.

They say hunts are not important BUT every weekend people post the winners and congrats for winning.


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How or what do we need to do to compete with the walker dogs???

If hunts don't matter and UKC, PKC or any other sanctioned event are not a measuring stick then why so much fuss and confusion on this board. I mean none of what people get on here and fuss and fight with each other about matters if Hunts aren't the measuring stick.

Without a measuring stick of some sort It only matters to the man holding the end of the lead what he is leading and we should start seeing all PR pedigrees in folks signatures.

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Darrell says---The HTX program , seriously how many ways can that be manipulated by the crooks of the dog world

Rebecca , know one has ever confused a Me Too Dog for a coon dog , They always get a bad rap their just slow coon dogs , that needed to be culled


joe we need to go hunting , I want to see these dogs you have , and a dog flying with his head up in the air running a track , more than likely its not a cold track. --------------------- Why, Darrell, i reckon, we'd have to go to heaven, to hunt, with Buster, as he's dead and gone, but he could tree coons, that way. Dogs, liked old Buster and people did too, he'd run a cold track with his head in the air, he might even tree, a coon that the great Slick, of yours, may not be able to smell. I can take you hunting with Boone, but he has to put his nose on the ground, but he's out of Buster, he doesn't have his nose, but he can get treed. I did break, Boone's nose one time, so he's lucky to be able to smell at all.

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Put a dog in the woods 2/4 hours a night 6 nights a week It will show on track and hunt night regardless of me to dogs or other handlers

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Bruce Hobbs--says--I would go straight to Tex. He has about all the traits to make a coon dog in anybodys book. Remember I said Tex. ------------------------------------------ Why Bruce, how many litters, have you raised, and how many have placed in the UKC World Hunt ? How about raiseing, just, one litter, that has all the stuff, to win the UKC World hunt, not 5 or 10 litters, just one.

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A countdown on tree. 1st or 4th strike I could care less, 1st tree important. 2-4 tree give em 25 or nothing don't matter. The measuring stick been broke a while.

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Help the hot nose, pop up,tree dog more?

. Find an honest strike dog that can run a track to catch and tree till it is led away, and then we won't have to change rules to better fit what is being entered in the hunts.

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