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Bloodline known for winding capabilities?

Has anyone owned or hunted with overtime any bloodlines that you have seen have good winding capabilities? If so how far would they wind one usually? I heard Skuna River bloodline has good winding capabilities has anyone seen or heard this as well?
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Nobody seem much of this??

I know some of yíall over time have hunted with or witnessed a hound or a certain line that tends to have great Winding Capabilities. Winding from the leash... winding lay ups, winding a track from a good distance... anything like this.
Seems like nobody wants to discuss this topic Seems like everyone is more interested in TRee power instead of Track power.
Someone start a conversation on the subject at least.... lol
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I have seen it in one or two Bone Collector dogs. But I haven't been around enough of them to say it was in that line of hound. I have also witnessed some track straddling in some Bone Collector dogs. Again, not enough different dogs to say that is in that line also.

I have two dogs that will flat nail one from a truck and they are a totally different lines of hounds.

I was coming back from a hunt about a year ago running 60 on a narrow black top road. I saw a coon dart across the road and by the time I had asked my co pilot if he saw the coon. The dog in the back went ballistic. But the truth is. In a situation like that. Conditions have to be right for that to happen, equal to or greater than the dogs ability. The coon probably just came out of a wet or damp ditch on the side of the road. As hot air rises and cold air falls the scent of the coon was probably being warmed by the hot summer night and rising at a fast rate. Actually this can be aggravating as my other dog, if he smells one close to where you had planned to turn out. You probably had better to somewhere else. Cause if you drop him near there and head him a different way. He will swing around and get on the coon he smelled from the truck.
Another time maybe a year or so ago. Allen P. who visits this board came over for a comp hunt one night and when when they got the dogs out and leashed up. His red dog and my dog went ballistic on the leash. The other two dogs were calm. About 50 yards or so in the trees in front of us sat a coon. Well the cast walked the dogs down a trail well past the coon before they cut loose. I was at the truck with another spectator. In about 10 or 15 minutes my dog and the redbone showed back up at the truck trying to figure out the coon that was up in the tree by the truck. I got to see two different styles of dog try to figure out this coon. My dog was more like a bird dog. He was swinging around making circles back and forth not barking, trying to find the coon track on the ground. Alans dog also had drifted out but hit the trail on the ground. And was trailing it back from perhaps a hundred yards away towards the tree where the coon was. Mine kept doing his thing drifting trying to figure out what he wanted to do with the coon they both had smelled. Finally my dog hit on the ground and their tracks came together and they treed. Thing is I can't remember if they treed together or separate and I am thinking one of them perhaps both were a tree or two away from where the coon actually was. Maybe if Alan reads this he can straighten me out there. It was just interesting to see two dogs trying to find a coon they both winded, using different skills to do so. It was obvious to me the red dog has more ability smelling on the ground but the results of both styles were about the same on that particular coon.

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Winding power

Thanks for taking your time and sharing that story Mr Conkey I wish I could have witnessed it with you sounds like them hounds put a smile on your face that night. If you donít mind me asking the 2 you have right now that will nail one from the truck are they even walker dogs? Itís funny you mention one was acting like a bird dog. I was just curious yesterday what it would be like to cross the right line of ďabove average windingĒ bird dogs to ďabove average windingĒ Coonhound. I was thinking just a dash of bird dog so (3/4 Walker 1/4 Bird dog) or (7/8 Walker 1/8 Bird dog) What do yíall think would anybody want one? Haha


Anybody else have any stories Iím only 25 and I realize all the older Seasoned hunters will be gone if I wait around too long to hear about it.
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If your into blue dogs, BLUE CREEK GET HOOKED is a winding dog and has thrown pups that are showing that trait. Check out is thread on Bluetick stud page.

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I saw a red and white flag tailed walker standing on his back feet head up winding while on the leash, when unsnapped he went about 50 yds.with his head up and fell treed and had the coon. He was an open trailer but never opened on this one till he treed. The other dogs never knew this coon was there. He was a Finly River dog about 18 mos. old at the time.

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They are both walkers. I think finding the consistency in any line of pups so that you could sell one saying they would be a winding type dog. Would be hard to do. The thing about our hounds is there is a lot of variations within a litter. More variations within a line and even more variations within the breed. Some have narrowed the variations down. But many have lost the purpose of the dogs, which is treeing coon. In an attempt to breed a particular trait in. Mine don't have to wind to tree coon. Actually for me, it is aggravating to have one start barking in the box when they do smell one, in my opinion. They just shut up and let me drive. I will take them to a turnout where they can go find a coon.

I have some pups that are six months out of my male that winds and runs with his head up. So far I am not even sure the pups will be worth anything. Couple in the litter that the owners showed them a coon said they weren't interested. Go figure as the Father was the easiest dog I trained in 50 years. Just open the dog box door and get out of his way. That is how he was trained.

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A male named frogger out of judge dredd would hunt with his head up in the air. Always liked that dog.

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I had a handsome Hank x Pacman female , male that I have seen couple times throw his head in the air and soon as you cut him he go seventy five or hundred yards across open field to a woodline and slam trees with a coon and not open on the ground but he is the only dog I have had that I have seen do that not sure if it was the house line or pac man side that showed this trait . All that litter could do that from what I was told

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I have a female that will wind while she is on the lead but as soon as you unsnap her she goes to trailing. If you walk her past a coon, she will throw her head up and start winding. You can walk her a couple of hundred yards and cut her loose. She will immediately run back to where she was winding and start trailing.

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Am a big fan of the bone collector dogs. Have a male with bone on top an ratt bred on bottom. He will strick a coon at of the box going down the road. Walk on his hind legs while leading him . Have turned him loose an he will go tree an have a coon. If a coon is laying out on a limb it is good as treed. Lay ups is his thing. Certain times of the year he struggles. Makes me want too kill him . Late winter an spring is his best time. Little to much tree power at times. Most of the bone dogs I have hunted with have great winding ability.

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Sgraves that is what I was wondering about. I have one that is sure different than a lot of dogs I had as far as winding goes. Just wan't sure if it came from the Bone line or not. Watched him in the morning trail and go into a tree with his head up. Made me think was looking at the coon. What amazes me the most is. I have watched dogs check trees, come off and they come back and settle. Accurate dogs, checking themselves. I have seen the Bone dog run hard straight to a tree with his head up. Slam it with no hesitation and have the meat more times that not. I really think if a man lived to be 100 he would never see all the different abilities the different dogs have to offer. They sure aint all the same and a good one no matter what style is a good one.

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Bruce, I had another female once that would stay in one small area and just locate and locate and finally sit down and tree. About half of the time when she did this, the coon would be 1-3 trees over. I thought that she was crazy but she did it fairly close one night. I slipped in and she was moving around with her nose up in the air just locating. She eventually picked a tree and got on it and treed. She knew that the coon was up there somewhere but just didn't know which tree trunk to settle on.

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Sgraves that is what I was wondering about. I have one that is sure different than a lot of dogs I had as far as winding goes. Just wan't sure if it came from the Bone line or not. Watched him in the morning trail and go into a tree with his head up. Made me think was looking at the coon. What amazes me the most is. I have watched dogs check trees, come off and they come back and settle. Accurate dogs, checking themselves. I have seen the Bone dog run hard straight to a tree with his head up. Slam it with no hesitation and have the meat more times that not. I really think if a man lived to be 100 he would never see all the different abilities the different dogs have to offer. They sure aint all the same and a good one no matter what style is a good one.
Yes sir, Some will call that style dog a hot nosed pop up kinda dog . Here in North Mississippi the coon are bad about moving in the middle of the day not leaving a very good track for a dog when dark arrives. Thatís fine because if they are laying out on a limb he will tree them. I love it when I am in a cast an the other dogs are bogged down in a certain spot. He will come in the middle of them an just fall treed an have the coon. He runs a decent track . Running through the woods with his head up is more his style.

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I've got a plott that can wind really well . When she gets a whiff of scent that head goes straight up and she kinda floats around till she gets the air figured out , once she does its a straight line to the tree . Always within a tree or to of the coon. Seen her do it over and over . Turned her loose in a field 1 night she threw her head up went 200yds across to the other side and had a coon. A good layup dog is fun to watch

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Bruce 40 years ago I hunted a lot with a male walker called Scout. No idea what his bloodline was but he could wind a coon going 50 mph down the road consistently. He road on the top of the box and lots of times we never got to where we intended to turn out because he would get struck. Sometimes he would get treed and the coon not be there so Kenny (friend who owned the dog) would light a smoke and see which was the wind was from, look upwind and 2 or three trees away would set the coon. Scout could tree squirrels faster than you could shoot them. Never touched one on the ground, as it was falling he was treeing another. Winded them all. Was bred several times and never had a pup that showed any of that ability. Also this dog did nothing till he was 2 years old. Kenny told me often that if he had not been a Christmas present from his wife he would have killed him.

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I have seen this trait in Nance dogs, Sailor dogs, Hershberger dogs in the past, and more recently Yadkin River, Sackett Jr dogs, Coma, and Skuna River dogs. I have been lucky enough to often have this trait in my dogs throughout the years. My two current dogs both step out of the dog box and immediately their nose is in the air. i will cut them loose and they will do a semi circle around me to get to what the smell standing on the tail gate. In the winter it is common to see them running 15-20 yards downwind of where the coon tracks actually are.

I think it is more prevalent than many think. They just don't always recognize it.

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Skuna river. Direct from Mr. Winston's kennel or out of the Blaze dog. Wont go wrong.

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The Cuz dog seems to throw this trait in his pups. We've had 4 different pups out of him and they'd all tree layups.

Hector Side throws this trait also. Seen several out of him that can tree layups. He's out of fighting side and a rat female. He's getting old at 11 now though.

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The Cuz dog seems to throw this trait in his pups. We've had 4 different pups out of him and they'd all tree layups.

Hector Side throws this trait also. Seen several out of him that can tree layups. He's out of fighting side and a rat female. He's getting old at 11 now though.



I liked everything about my hector pup till he came up missing.

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I have a male walker that just turned 4 in nov. he has struck many times off the lead and from the truck this past sunday night he treed a coon i walked into him he had the coon, i put the lead on him and started walking out a different way he struck on the lead i turned him loose he went 120 yards out in a clear cut and treed had two coons.

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I know some of yíall over time have hunted with or witnessed a hound or a certain line that tends to have great Winding Capabilities. Winding from the leash... winding lay ups, winding a track from a good distance... anything like this.
Seems like nobody wants to discuss this topic Seems like everyone is more interested in TRee power instead of Track power.
Someone start a conversation on the subject at least.... lol
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The type of dog you are asking about is not very popular. From my Experience an am hunting the type dog you want to know about. They are not a high end strick dog. Lord knows first strick at any cost is the thing these days.They will run a track, has to be the right track. Breeding has a lot to do if you can get both track minded an the style you want to know about. For the most part they will be a drifting style, fall tree kinda dog. I love to hear a dog strick a cold track an work it up an tree it . The dog you are wanting to know about will , but lay ups are his specialty. They are action packed kinda dogs .

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I liked everything about my hector pup till he came up missing.



Man that sucks. Waylon has a litter out of Bed on the ground now. Just an fyi. The bitch is Ava. She's pretty tough herself.
I'd like to get a dog with Hec's talent for sure. Just not going to happen any time soon I'm figuring.

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When raising pups I am on the look out to pick pups that have that natural inclination to wind which includes trailing...these type of dogs donít run with their noses on the ground...
Many dogs will wind hogs and go to them when the scent is strong in the air...and these same dogs will not even put their noses up to the wind when the scent is hardly there...
But in that pack of dogs there are two dogs I watch closely because these two dogs can pick up hog scent from far away...they can make the attempt to find the hogs and when they get in the thick woods or brush they lose the scent and circle back and try again...what I will do is see exactly how the wind is coming toward us...sometimes itís channeling and sometimes itís skimming over the brush and over the dogs heads and when they get in the thick brush the scent is diluted...once I get the incoming direction of the wind I then move in that direction...it might be a quarter mile or half mile or more and these two dogs will be the first leading the pack to the hogs...

IMO...it is more a genetic trait than just nose power...the average dog needs a stronger scent before they click while the two dogs I am talking about require very little scent for their interest to click in...

One of my hunting buddies doesnít slow down enough to look at the finer details...so even if he had dogs that can do what the two dogs I am talking about...the dogs would eventually learn to not pay attention to the weaker scent they encounter on account of the handlers hunting style...
For me it is about encouraging and conditioning the dogs to be the best they can be...

I just think one of these top coon dogs with great winding abilities would make an outstanding hog dog...probably as good as the best Iíve seen...my two cents worth🧐

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Winding abilities

Thanks for sharing your stories and opinions. got more feedback than I thought I would
I enjoy hearing stories of hounds that are very gifted With their nose. To me track power is more important than Tree power too many bloodlines have too much tree power I wonít throw out any names but Iíve seen and started several that come off todayís well known studs that just make better tree dogs than track dogs. Treeing is important, they do need to be able to tree and stay there. However if they canít locate and run a track how are they going to tree in the first place?? Also why is a track solely judged by who opens first? Why 100 points for strike and 125 for tree in regards to nite hunts

What do yíall think?
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