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Inbred is usually father to daughter, mother to son, brother to sister. That is breeding to a direct and not extended relative. Line breeding is considered everything else.

Grandpup to grandmother would fall under line breeding.

Technically, line breeding is a form of inbreeding. Line breeding is usually a safer alternative to direct inbreeding. Other words, it is less likely to combine nasty recessive genes. Notice it is not a guarantee that nasty recessive genes won't happen. This is one reason a good knowledge base of a dog's family can be important.

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Originally posted by 4play
Line breeding!

Grand mother to Grand son
Grand father to Grand daughter
Uncle to Niece
Aunt to Nephew

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With inbreeding or tight linebreeding the best and the worst traits will double up. So if there are certain traits that you are looking for that the line has you will get them and the. Bad

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
And half brother to half sister which we have done successfully several times.
Any of the above combos are considered line breeding. Father to daughter or mother to son is considered inbreeding and your papers will be marked as such.
If you have a line with traits you wish to carry on these are all good ways to do it. Recessive genes many of which are good will be carried on but always be on the lookout for the bad.

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Just my limited experience but you have to be careful to breed well balanced dogs. If you breed tight mouth dogs, you might get silent hounds. If you breed open mouthed dogs, you might get babblers. If you breed quick tree dogs you might get slick tree dogs. You can turn not so bad traits into traits that are unacceptable. Also when linebreeding you have to look at not only the 2 dogs that you are breeding but the traits of their whole family or line.

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I am hunting a 12 month old female from a mother to son cross...i see so many similarities its amazing really..similarities from both dam an sire...so far i am very well pleased and glad i made the cross...time will tell with final product..i suspect she will reproduce my kinda dog regardless of her final ability...i like what i am seeing...

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Just my limited experience but you have to be careful to breed well balanced dogs. If you breed tight mouth dogs, you might get silent hounds. If you breed open mouthed dogs, you might get babblers. If you breed quick tree dogs you might get slick tree dogs. You can turn not so bad traits into traits that are unacceptable. Also when linebreeding you have to look at not only the 2 dogs that you are breeding but the traits of their whole family or line.

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Reuben please explain how a half walker and half chow could be linebred. That is considered a F1 hybrid. Breeding for traits in two different breeds isn't linebreeding. True linebreeding is family breeding or so I've been taught.

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The best article I ever read on linebreeding/inbreeding was written by Dr. Braxton Sawyer, and was published in the American Cooner. It was written in layman's terms and made perfect sense to me. I think that it was 1978 when it was first in the Cooner, and it was republished sometime later (80's) in the Cooner.

I also remember reading an article by Dr. Richard Guill (a coonhunter, and a geneticist by trade). It was a little too technical (with mathematical formulas for calculating coefficients of inbreeding). I did hunt with one of his Gr. Nite Ch. stud dogs (not the caliber of dog I'd want).

Over the years, I've seen people that may struggle to even spell "genetics" consistently produce dogs that are much better than those produced by the so-called genetic experts.

In "Run For The Roses" by Dan Fogelberg, he sings: "It's breeding, and training, and something unknown". I think that fits best. It seems that some overthink this process. Well, thinking about it doesn't make coondogs. Knowing what you are doing, knowing what you are seeing and a good doggie eye work much better than any level of genetic(pedigree) knowledge.

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If you don't want another dog just like poorest of the dogs being considered for the mating then don't make the cross no matter what the relationship.
I've observed that inbreeding or linebreeding does not usually improve the overall ability above that of the parents but allows you to maintain the level that you have in the parents. If you are trying to maintain traits that are recessive it is a great way to do that.
Inbred crosses can increase purity and give the breeder a chance to eliminate unwanted traits such as aggressive behavior as it is dominant and individuals that don't display it can be used in future generations without fear of the trait being passed on.
Poor quality results are often blamed on linebreeding or inbreeding, but poor results are usually because of one of the parents is carrying genetic faults and maybe not both. One of the parents would probably produce unwanted traits if completely outcrossed.
I prefer to use linebred or inbred dogs because they are more likely to reproduce whatever they are in their offspring. Proper evaluation and selection is individuals is more important than the relationship of the possible mates. This is my opinion. Ken Risley

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....... Proper evaluation and selection in individuals is more important than the relationship of the possible mates. This is my opinion. Ken Risley

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I would say that proper evaluation and selection is just as important as the relationship. When you put the 2 together then you make what should be a good cross. Using just one without the other is just like breeding a nice stud to a below average female and expecting to get nice pups.

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Originally posted by yadkinriver
Reuben please explain how a half walker and half chow could be linebred. That is considered a F1 hybrid. Breeding for traits in two different breeds isn't linebreeding. True linebreeding is family breeding or so I've been taught.

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OK Gotcha Reuben. The half and half isn't linebred but after breeding a daughter back to her sire making it 3/4 and 1/4 it is.

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