Registered: Jun 2015
Location: Cordele, Ga
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Im guessing you guys have seen these things popping up around the country like I have. Makes me want to vomit. No need to preach to the choir here about how senseless they are. Only thing I know to do is to make the folks putting these things on's lives miserable and to make sure their business's are never partonized again by any coonhunters. Having said that one of these things has made it's way to South Georgia. I will try to attach a pic and more information about the folks putting it on. Please take a minute and call, message, comment on their post on Facebook and tell them exactly what you think about what they are doing!!! Shiver Outdoors and Archery - 1461 U.S. 19 South - Leesburg, Ga - 229-800-6972

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Registered: Jul 2021
Location: Tenn.
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Its all about turkeys.Thats not mentioned in the ad youve shown. Coon hunters i hope conserve their coons and dont ruin their own sport .Longer hunting seasons and increased bag limits is the plan in TN and ive heard of this type events being held in TN.TWRA is all for it.A sad sittuation.

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Registered: Nov 2021
Location: MO
Posts: 160

We have seen them here some in the past 2-3 years. Like every thing it's 2 sided. We see a lot of anti dog sport in our state because trophy hunters are being taught that our hunting hounds ( of all kind and purpose) are running off deer and turkey. Many believe that all dog hunters are putting up a front to pursue coon, coyotes, wild hogs, rabbits, etc to run and kill deer. Things like this has seemed to help team the trophy hunters with the houndsmen and build some what of a mutual respect. Now understand this I know nothing about other areas but I read on here where most areas that have a weak coon population have had disease wipe them out. We have not had disease hit here yet. I can't imagine anything would bring more people out to kill coons than good fur prices and I doubt we'll ever see that again. I don't like the senseless killing but I would hate to see a great coon population and use of hunting with dogs for sport not allowed

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It’s a shame really. No other species would they do this with. This is 100% driven by turkey hunters and theirs is more turkey than ever. Deer and turkey bring in more revenue. I’m hoping TN never does this coon is state animal for one and it’s down right silly. We need a good balance of species they have proven that with wolves being introduced back to areas.

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Location: North MO
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We have them here all the time. They have zero impact on raccoon numbers where any houndsmen in the area hunt. Most of the raccoon are caught along major highways and in towns. Some even compete in them.

While I agree the optics are terrible, we have to look at what affect this has on us as houndsmen and women. And to be honest, from what I have seen, it is basically zero.

I think a better tact than boycotting American small businesses, would be to find these turkey hunters, tell them about how you can harvest the raccoon off of their property with your hounds better than a contest that won't really target anything other than urban trash pandas and highway coons, and then you can not only bridge a gap between sportsmen, but have new land to hunt.

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Josh, Im guessing the coon population where you live is a little different than South Georgia. We have coons, but no where like other parts of the country. Said I shouldn't have to preach to the choir here, but guess that was wrong too.....................

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Josh, Im guessing the coon population where you live is a little different than South Georgia. We have coons, but no where like other parts of the country. Said I shouldn't have to preach to the choir here, but guess that was wrong too.....................

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Josh, Im guessing the coon population where you live is a little different than South Georgia. We have coons, but no where like other parts of the country. Said I shouldn't have to preach to the choir here, but guess that was wrong too.....................

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Registered: Jul 2021
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Like many folks i have to hunt w m a s and public land alot.I worry the turkey hunter organizations will start putting out traps and the hounds will get in them.yes trapping is probably legal anyway but nobody does it because theres no money in it.These radical turkey hunters have made up their minds that coons are why they dont have as many turkeys.Any predator you can name is eating turkeys at some stage of their life .I bet more are killed after they hatch than whats killed in the nest.which is what they are guessing the coons do.

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I'd need more data... I've seen areas that were overpopulated with coons and I guarantee these types of hunts wouldn't really hurt the population. Is there any evidence they are over populated in this area? If so it could be good for the population in the long run. Disease will wipe them out in a far worse manner if over population isn't handled. I would prefer game n fish / dnr type agency issue a license when they feel it is necessary.

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I live a couple of hours from Josh so we have similar coon population. I've seen zero decline in my coon treeing after these events take place. I've also seen zero increase in our turkey population. In my county we have very few turkey and 15 years ago we had a booming population so I don't know what has taken place but I don't think predators are as big of a problem as Missouri dept of conservation might think.

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I don't even know where to start!I guess I'll start with lack of common sense, mighty dollar, technology and man! When Man fails to catch what they are in pursuit of then they have to blame it on something! Most people can't judge three feet unless they see it on a screen, let alone to be able to understand the animal they are in pursuit of and to realize what is happening in our country!

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I live in the same state as Travis and Josh just further south. We have had a better turkey hatch last spring than in 5 years or more. The turkey decline seems to be more related to the hatch. It seems to me that the hatch has been affected more by the weather since we have seen nothing but an increase in varmits and predators in the last 5 years. I have always found it interesting how little is said about the wild hogs and the damage they do to nest, food source and habitat. Yet our state is very unwilling to open up killing them unless it's on private land. I have seen an increase in coon population in the last last 2 years on my property specifically as well as the turkeys, deer, possum, and bobcat. I attribute that to having a food source out 10 months out of the year. The state of MO has a 1/8 cent sales tax ear marked specifically for the conservation dept to use for aid in feeding the wild life. All I see being fed are baiting in hogs (which some of the other wild life will benefit from) and the elk. I think it would be great to try a conserve the wild life that we already have native here rather than non native species. JMO But to address what some have asked about on here. I don't see a decline in turkeys with the increase of varmit population as much as I feel it's all food source related. I could get on a whole other soap box about how they are cutting down the oak timber to make ALL PINE forest to simulate the elk's natural habitat. Acorns are what the turkeys live on fall and winter. I agree with control population of everything to keep it balanced.

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Maybe I'm Way off on my thought process do deer have more offspring then they did sixty years ago?I don't believe so but it seems like the population is more,is it? Man building in their habitat and farmers taring everything up has them on the move more, plus the ungodly amount of vehicles on the road that are involved in accidents with deer makes one believe the population is high! There are a lot of variables to the thoughts of this thread, that being said it seems to me it's all about the mighty dollar!

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I've done quite a bit of research on our turkey decline, read and listened to a lot of stuff and most tell the same story that there’s no smoking gun, it’s death by a thousand cuts, habitat loss, over harvesting, weather during hatching season, and what this post is about nest predators which I feel no doubt has a role in the decline just maybe not as much as people think. But it’s a easy fix for any ol boy up the road with a rifle, “I’m gonna try to kill all these coons, ya kno they’re killing all our turkey” I just laugh and say broaden your thinking some. I’m as sad as anybody over the turkeys, growing up here we had, what I would say a turkey hunting culture that the flame has slowly dwindled due to lack of numbers. So many they were getting to borderline nuisance numbers, some say in there opinion the land simply couldn’t sustain those numbers and that we’ve balanced out to a more “normal” population. And to agree with Last Chance for every turkey we’ve lost we gained 5 deer haha

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