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13. Scratched for Fighting.

• Change rule to scratch dogs for fighting or attempting to fight during hunt time only and shall further include while dogs are off leash and during any time out periods during the hunt.




2019 UKC RULE PROPOSAL CLARIFICATIONS AND NOTES
Be advised, the following notes are the opinions/statements of those who submitted the proposals and may or may not necessarily reflect the opinion of UKC.

PROPOSAL 13: This rule keeps dogs from getting scratched while in the dog box or while on leash. Sometimes dogs do not get along as well with others when sharing small spaces in a box with a strange dog when they otherwise don’t have temperament issues when on the hunt.

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Cheyenne's opinion is his responsibility as a judge should begin when he states "cut em'" and should end when the last tree is scored. It is impossible to police dog boxes in others trucks during transport and happenings at the grounds are the responsibilities of the host club not assigned judges hunt judges should be just that judge the hunt.. Judges are not babies sitters for up 4 or even more trucks and upto 8 individuals before a hunt begins and after until the cards are turned in.

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Cheyenne's opinion is his responsibility as a judge should begin when he states "cut em'" and should end when the last tree is scored. It is impossible to police dog boxes in others trucks during transport and happenings at the grounds are the responsibilities of the host club not assigned judges hunt judges should be just that judge the hunt.. Judges are not babies sitters for up 4 or even more trucks and upto 8 individuals before a hunt begins and after until the cards are turned in.

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Shakey ground here. I have personally witnessed two dogs get into a fight while still on the leash as the judge was calling for them to be released. Might be a rare occasion but it happens . On lead ,off lead . It is still a fight.
Some hunt rules spill over to bench shows and dogs too. So if two dogs ,on club grounds, on a leash, waiting to show get into a fight . Do they get a pass because they are on a leash? Waiting to show and not actually in the arena?

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Shakey ground here. I have personally witnessed two dogs get into a fight while still on the leash as the judge was calling for them to be released. Might be a rare occasion but it happens . On lead ,off lead . It is still a fight.
Some hunt rules spill over to bench shows and dogs too. So if two dogs ,on club grounds, on a leash, waiting to show get into a fight . Do they get a pass because they are on a leash? Waiting to show and not actually in the arena?

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Some are going to say this doesn’t apply to coon dogs , but I say it does. A friend of mine has hog dogs . They are cur an American bull dog mixed . He can turn them loose in the yard or put them in the dog box together an their well mannered. But when it comes hunting time you have to watch them . We hunt out of a boat a good bit. You better keep them tied apart because a fight will break out. You better find hogs pretty quick or they will get bored an a fight will break out . Some will say they are mean. I don’t think that way. A dog is no different than a human. It’s excitement level gets high when it’s doing what it loves to do an bred to do. Coondogs are no different . No am not promoting a fight or saying let them fight. It’s what I mean when I say it’s gonna happen. Yes there are flat out mean dogs that needs a bullet . When you walk in between a dog an the tree it’s treeing on an it bites you , I say it’s excited so to speak. Face barking, it’s aggressive behavior . But again it’s excited to be treeing. In no way am I saying let them fight . People is just wanting to scratch dogs for being just that a dog. Sometimes we have to use a little common sense an scratch when it’s really needed not just because we can.

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A mean dog is just the same as a babbling dog to me when people know it and use it for an advantage. When a fight breaks out the mans demeanor that owns the dog means a lot the way I will handle things.



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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Cheyenne's opinion is his responsibility as a judge should begin when he states "cut em'" and should end when the last tree is scored. It is impossible to police dog boxes in others trucks during transport and happenings at the grounds are the responsibilities of the host club not assigned judges hunt judges should be just that judge the hunt.. Judges are not babies sitters for up 4 or even more trucks and upto 8 individuals before a hunt begins and after until the cards are turned in.

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
These are Nite hunt rule change proposals not bench show changes.

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NtChGrCh Dryfork Little Blue Baby Doll
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See, don't use that word lol, you don't have to see. And how do you as a judge watch the dogs in your cast at the club house and while driving to and from hunting ground in separate trucks? Judges should no be responsible for judging actions not related to the "hunt". They are judges not baby sitting If they fight during the hunt scratch them. People's actions on the grounds and even dogs should not be the responsibility of the judge. A good portion of the time a card comes in with the winner and the judge may not but his authority goes until the card hits the table. And how in the world can cast members vote on this stuff when they are probably not all present to be a witness?
Question?? What do you do if dogs get into a fight before the cast is drawn out? With people you can write them up for misconduct.

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
See, don't use that word lol, you don't have to see. And how do you as a judge watch the dogs in your cast at the club house and while driving to and from hunting ground in separate trucks? Judges should no be responsible for judging actions not related to the "hunt". They are judges not baby sitting If they fight during the hunt scratch them. People's actions on the grounds and even dogs should not be the responsibility of the judge. A good portion of the time a card comes in with the winner and the judge may not but his authority goes until the card hits the table. And how in the world can cast members vote on this stuff when they are probably not all present to be a witness?
Question?? What do you do if dogs get into a fight before the cast is drawn out? With people you can write them up for misconduct.

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I think the existing rule works pretty good, lets leave it. I hate a rough dog, and I want him out quick, too many get a pass.

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When the judge gets the scorecard he's in control of the cast. If a dog fight happens anywhere scratch them.

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