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ant12
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good ones

Oh there are PLENTY good ones still out there you must be messing with some of the sorry lines. Believe me there are plenty of all grand latest and greatest that are not worth a bullet. But there are plenty good lines and reproducers out there. You want one line breed to any bitch get some BONE, you will be fine. I have one out of Bone and BACKWOODS BARBIE and i have turned down 2500.00 for him when he was six months old, it would take more than 10,000.00 to buy him now. COONDOG, HONEST HONEST first strike and has the coon. GET SOME BONE, i recently sold a six month old pup from bone and a skuna river fred bitch for 1500.00. I have a pup out of BACKWOODS BARBIE and Stylish PJ coondog. They are out there must get on the right bloodlines.

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Re: jmo

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the older blood was way better about makeing sure there was a coon in the tree where todays dogs have so much tree instink bred into them they don't check they smell alittle scent on a sapling the lock up right there not all but a high percentage



Exactly and some people don't care if a dog slick trees 50% of the time it trees. The best dog I ever owned rarely missed but she had other faults most other hunters wouldn't put up with they would give her away or shoot her.

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Bred my grch ntch female to bone one Grntch two ntchs one with two first places best cross on her so far !

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Re: jmo

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Originally posted by hillbilly56
the older blood was way better about makeing sure there was a coon in the tree where todays dogs have so much tree instink bred into them they don't check they smell alittle scent on a sapling the lock up right there not all but a high percentage


I am a fanatic about accuracy.

I won't keep one that misses much.

I agree that we had less trouble with slick treers back in the day.

We also waited until they were two or three years old for some of them to make solid tree dogs.

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Id like to see some of these old super coon dogs go. My feist prolly tree more coon

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Re: good ones

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Oh there are PLENTY good ones still out there you must be messing with some of the sorry lines. Believe me there are plenty of all grand latest and greatest that are not worth a bullet. But there are plenty good lines and reproducers out there. You want one line breed to any bitch get some BONE, you will be fine. I have one out of Bone and BACKWOODS BARBIE and i have turned down 2500.00 for him when he was six months old, it would take more than 10,000.00 to buy him now. COONDOG, HONEST HONEST first strike and has the coon. GET SOME BONE, i recently sold a six month old pup from bone and a skuna river fred bitch for 1500.00. I have a pup out of BACKWOODS BARBIE and Stylish PJ coondog. They are out there must get on the right bloodlines.
mine is alittermate. great cross mine is NOT for sale turned down 4 grand at ayr. old.

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Re: Re: jmo

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I am a fanatic about accuracy.

I won't keep one that misses much.

I agree that we had less trouble with slick treers back in the day.

We also waited until they were two or three years old for some of them to make solid tree dogs.

yea the old blood hounds didn't start like todays dogs but when they did go they usally made a good hound i haven't fooled with a pup for awhile im gettin old and tard but i still wouldn't start 1 today till at least 10 -11 months old

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Id like to see some of these old super coon dogs go. My feist prolly tree more coon
you youngins probly couldn't carry all the coon out in a nite behind them old day hounds lol '

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Ya well try packin mine out!lol i treed 180 this season. only killed a dozen i was too hard on em last yr. lol i wasnt around 40 yrs ago but i sure like what i got.

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Ya well try packin mine out!lol i treed 180 this season. only killed a dozen i was too hard on em last yr. lol i wasnt around 40 yrs ago but i sure like what i got.
yea me and my buddy don't shoot many out neither we give what we do take to his nephew they was worth keeping back in the day now they ain't worth grap use ta help with dog food when a large hide was worth 30 bucks or more

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Aint a 180 coon in my whole county.

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the old great blood

How was that old great blood and how short is your memory? I have been hunting 38 years and I know the lines what they throw and dogs of yesterday and today. Please give me today's with the right lines any day, ANY DAY. I know how many in a littler of old would make. How many would track how many would tree, and that was not the same. How many would start. I have had them out of all, top studs. Today's are better; but you must have the correct lines. I KNOW they are better, different and better. Or if you think dogs of old are better that means you believe every cross has been bad and none of the crosses have bettered what was before, please. I think you are rolling them too tight. So you want a litter where the pups maybe two before they tree and maybe three or four out of eight will tree, oh the good old days.

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They all over here at my house...want to see them some time holler at me...

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Re: the old great blood

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How was that old great blood and how short is your memory? I have been hunting 38 years and I know the lines what they throw and dogs of yesterday and today. Please give me today's with the right lines any day, ANY DAY. I know how many in a littler of old would make. How many would track how many would tree, and that was not the same. How many would start. I have had them out of all, top studs. Today's are better; but you must have the correct lines. I KNOW they are better, different and better. Or if you think dogs of old are better that means you believe every cross has been bad and none of the crosses have bettered what was before, please. I think you are rolling them too tight. So you want a litter where the pups maybe two before they tree and maybe three or four out of eight will tree, oh the good old days.
everybody likes differnt things just like we like differnt breeds of hounds ive had al breeds except plotts and these leparod hounds ive always kept redbones and have had good luck with them but i really haven't kept up on the red dog blood in serval yrs i just get what i like i try the walker dogs back in the 70s wasn't for me ive had dogs for over 50 yrs and just like what i like

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A top hound is very hard to find I don't care how much money you have to spend,
A lot of people claim to have one but very few measure up when you go look at them.

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Nowhere in my original post did I make this about old blood vs. new blood . I'm in the market for a coon treeing dog . I don't care what breed or sex . I'm looking for a dog like I described in my original post. I log for a living and look at trees without coon in them all day long . Less people coon hunt these days and less than that know what a real coon treeing dog is . Elvis hit the nail on the head with his post . Oh yeah I'm still looking , I've had a couple guys say they have one that can be bought and I'm looking into it . Haven't found one yet .

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quote:
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A top hound is very hard to find I don't care how much money you have to spend,
A lot of people claim to have one but very few measure up when you go look at them.



They are hard to find now, and they were hard to find twenty or thirty years ago.

I think a higher percentage of today's pups make usable dogs that will suit somebody than what we raised years ago, and for sure they start earlier and make something a lot sooner.

These souped up tree dogs require a lot different kind of training than the dogs we used to hunt.

All those tricks we learned to train dogs to tree aren't useful any more.

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I never have claimed to have nothing more than an average coon dog once in a while in 50 years of hunting but one thing i will guarantee you a one hour hunt is not what you can call a hunt in eastern or southeastern kentucky for by the time you get to the top of the first mountain and back your hour is ove hunt over and your dog gone money entry fee gone gas gone and you hungry as H***.

You call that fun and coon hunting if you want to i call it a bunch of crap.

Oh what were the subject we were discussing any way?????

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im lost

half of the people posting says the good'er'uns are hard to find, the other half is claiming they have em? wtf

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last one I had died. I haven't seen one since

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the good ones

The good ones are not a dime a dozen, hard to find but it starts with two things. The right blood and training. Although the real real good ones don't require as much training that's for sure. I know I posted about old blood versus new. One of the main ways dogs are better now than then, is more tree. Dogs of old lots would track but no tree or weak. I know some will say oh wait now we have these slick treeing idiots. True some are tree happy, but lots and lots get there slick treeing trained in. These dogs have to be trained different. Too many get to the tree and pet them, show dog they are happy squawl before a coon is ever seen. With dogs that have a high tree drive, you have to train. No petting squawling until coon seen. Anyway there is a lot more about training.

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Re: im lost

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half of the people posting says the good'er'uns are hard to find, the other half is claiming they have em? wtf


That's funny right there!!! But, when you think about it, it does kinda add up don't it???? It's like money...half's wondering where it all is and the other half has it.

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Really good coon dogs are about like a bobcat around here. What I mean is as much as I travel and ramble day and night up and down the road in the woods , fields pastures swamps, hills and bottoms I don't remember when the last time I saw a Bobcat live......but I know there out there cause I see them in the road run over occasionally.

They are out there........... not easy to spot or buy.......If you are having trouble locating one change shopping places or habits....

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quote:
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People like different things. There are people that would take the best dog you or me have ever owned and shoot them in the head or take them to the pound. There are dogs that you would give away that a man has searched for for years and years and years. Some people don't care one single bit about a dog whatsoever as long as it wins hunts. That's it. Period. End of story. Some people such as myself are hunting a dog that trees possums as well as coons and are having a good time pleasure hunting. Some people think if a pup hasn't treed a coon by 10 months old that they are a give away pup. Then they give him away and the man that gets him gets the best dog he EVER owned in his life.


Jason, what you are referring to is more of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", or "one man's trash is another mans treasure".

It is all relative, & I still say it boils down to how an individual defines "good".

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