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Currently percentages are taken from overall number of pups produced. I would think you should only compute percentages based on the number of pups registered. It is not the fault of the sire, dam, or breeder that those pups did not get registered and it could make a difference within the rankings. Also I do not have a dog that would benefit from any of this, it is just something I thought about as I was looking through it. What are your thoughts?

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The question I've always had is why the historical list is based off of the dogs with the most Nitech & Grnitech and the current list is off of highest percentages.
Our old dog when we retired him from breeding was the #1 Walker (highest on the list of any breed) on the current list with right at 21% his number now is over 30%. Dogs like him will never be recognized even though their numbers blow the historical list away. I think it would be nice if even once a year the dogs that meet the qualifications (100 for sires and 20 for dams) are recognized for their overall percentages in reproduction. Give credit where it is due. These dogs may not have 3,000 pups on the ground but made an impact within their breed.

*As someone who has several sets of pup papers from decesed dogs and know of many others that have died young I do see your point.
Ukc ? If I were to send these registrations back do they come off the total number of pups?

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I agree everything should be based off percentages and if you meet the 100/20 qualification then that dog should be listed on the historical list. Personally for me I will always look at percentages over total number just for that reason not all dogs have 1000+ pups.

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The Historical Reproducers List is a list of the 10 dogs who have produced the most titled offspring. The Current List is the Top 10 dogs with the highest percentage. Why would you want 2 lists that went by percentage? Is the "Top" dog the one with the most or the one with the highest percentage?

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My guess us the one with the highest percentages, that tell us more than just numbers tells us. A dog with 3000 pups may have higher numbers but smaller percentages, now which do you think is more relevant? Dave

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The Historical Reproducers List is a list of the 10 dogs who have produced the most titled offspring. The Current List is the Top 10 dogs with the highest percentage. Why would you want 2 lists that went by percentage? Is the "Top" dog the one with the most or the one with the highest percentage?

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So which dog is the Top Reproducer (not the best). The dog that produces 2,000 pups and 100 are titled or the dog that produces 100 pups and 10 are titled. I guess that they should have a Best Reproducer List.

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If both lists were done by percentages wouldn't there be only one list?

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The problem I see with just doing percentages is you get dogs with a low number of pups that didn't cross well on several females. They just had one good cross made 5 times. They had a niche cross but weren't good reproducers if they couldn't produce off several females.

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If both lists were done by percentages wouldn't there be only one list?

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My dog only has 2 pups and both are titled, it’s at 100% and should be leading the list! 😳😂

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The problem I see with just doing percentages is you get dogs with a low number of pups that didn't cross well on several females. They just had one good cross made 5 times. They had a niche cross but weren't good reproducers if they couldn't produce off several females.

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Maybe the Current List goes by percentages because female owners use it as a tool to help pick a stud and pup buyers use it to see where to go for a pup with the best chance of becoming a coon dog. But the historical list is just to recognize the dogs that have produced the most titled offspring.

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I had a dog in the top 5 for 4 years straight, didn't have big numbers. No way did she compare to some of the bigger names in reproduction ability, even though she had a higher percentage. Far as I'm concerned that list is just to make you feel good if you make it, but not a solid tool to go by.

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I think the historical should be the ones with the most hunt titled dogs. Yes, they have more pups but there had to be a reason more people were breeding to them. The ones with the most titled offspring are most likely to have the greatest impact on the breed. I think that is the dogs that belong in the historical list.


I do like to know of sires that are producing high percentages of winners so long as they aren't about all from the same cross. I'm just not sure it should replace what is already there. Maybe another category.

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I have suggested a once a year list of the overall highest percentages from dogs both sires and dams that meet the criteria of 100 for sires and 20 for dams not limited by time. We know that there are sires that have 30 + % and I suspect that their are some who may even be much higher.

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Jen they will research and send you a list using whatever parameters you request and then you can post it on here. A Redbone guy did that a few years back.

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Jen they will research and send you a list using whatever parameters you request and then you can post it on here. A Redbone guy did that a few years back.

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