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I know it sounds funny to most, but I would like to know the common denominator here. Why so many dogs with “thyroid” issues. I lost my wife to cancer on Feb 13th, 2018. She had spent many many hours researching all that she could (you had better) on the subject. Though it is not the only thing, there is one you will find as a major contributor to our health problems, our diets, what we eat every day (1 coke has about 11 teaspoons of sugar and sugar feeds cancer, so in and so forth). Don’t laugh, I have lived it. What is the quality of our dog food? Have you ever read the ingredients? Have you ever researched what all of that junk is? Beat me up if you want, but it is just a thought and only my 2 cents worth.

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Feed....Anything and everything is open for consideration. I am leaning towards a combination of causes. Maybe one by itself won't cause a problem but several together can have an additve effect.
Think about iodine also. It has been discussed in relation to heat cycles. Too little and a female won't come in heat. So adding iodine was recommended by some. But I read one study that said too much iodine will cause the thyroid gland to shut down. And every brand of feed has a different level of iodine.

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Can someone please give me a credible website page that says for a fact the hypothyroidism is hereditary. Because everything I've read so far since November on this subject has been speculation at best. A credible website like a university that's done an extensive study.

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I know it sounds funny to most, but I would like to know the common denominator here. Why so many dogs with “thyroid” issues. I lost my wife to cancer on Feb 13th, 2018. She had spent many many hours researching all that she could (you had better) on the subject. Though it is not the only thing, there is one you will find as a major contributor to our health problems, our diets, what we eat every day (1 coke has about 11 teaspoons of sugar and sugar feeds cancer, so in and so forth). Don’t laugh, I have lived it. What is the quality of our dog food? Have you ever read the ingredients? Have you ever researched what all of that junk is? Beat me up if you want, but it is just a thought and only my 2 cents worth.

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Can someone please give me a credible website page that says for a fact the hypothyroidism is hereditary. Because everything I've read so far since November on this subject has been speculation at best. A credible website like a university that's done an extensive study.

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I lean towards it being a genetic issue, the first i wver heard of thyroid pills were some 15+ years ago. Kyle chase had a bitch named tar hill dot she was a littermate to tar heel henry, she was a thyroid dog and i think just about every pup she had was a thyroid dog. To my knowledge Henry never had any issues. I would think kyle could shed some old houndsman knowledgebon the issue.

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TYPE PURNIA PRO CLUB FOLLOW LINK TO RESOURCE LIBRARY CLICK ON HEALTH TYPE THYROID IN SEARCH BAR EVEN DALMATIAN BREEDERS ARE YEARS AHEAD OF HOUNDSMEN ON HEALTH ISSUES LOL OR WE COULD BE LIVING IN DENIAL .LOL

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What percentage of hounds will naturally test 2.5 or higher. I
Would say most dogs being medicated are are not really below a 1.0. I will guarantee our hounds have always had this problem. It's like I said earlier vets say 1.0 is ok. Most that understand working dogs agree they need 2.5-3.5. So it's confusing. A lot that are being medicated are not really hypothyroid according to 1-4 being in normal ranges.

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Can someone please give me a credible website page that says for a fact the hypothyroidism is hereditary. Because everything I've read so far since November on this subject has been speculation at best. A credible website like a university that's done an extensive study.

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This is a super long video but there is some interesting stuff around 18:00 mins in.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...amp;FORM=VRRTAP

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There are 2 parts to this video, in the first part she tells you what test needs done. The test that most vets do and then place the dogs on meds is no where near what they need tested. To many things affect the T4 they are testing. By the way you can send your dogs labs to her to be looked at. She has a much better understanding of the issue than your local vet. Apparently they can test to see if it is autoimmune or not. That would send us in the direction we need to go. If it is our breeding practices need to change if it isn't we need to find the source and get rid of it.

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nitehunter2004 i would be more inclined to buy a pup from a breeder who had the sire and dam listed for review in the orthopedic foundation for animals thyroid data base .

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Thomas, Thanks for that information. I think the data on Hounds from their DATA base would be very interesting and open up a lot of eyes. You can argue all day on a message board but you can't argue with facts.

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How many have had their dogs tested and they tested above a 2 naturally?

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nitehunter2014 i would be more inclined to buy a pup from a breeder who had the sire and dam listed for review in the orthopedic foundation for animals thyroid data base .

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It sounds like several things cause it besides breeding. It sounds like it also is a problem with immune system breakdown. My hound was only 2 when he got Eurlychia and after being clear of that for 6 months it cost me $150 to have the blood work sent to Michigan and his test showed T4 level at 1.2 which is low normal. There is another thyroid level that goes from 0 through 100 and his score on that one was 16 so again not even close to the mid level. The lab in Michigan is supposed to be the best.

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DO FEMALES HAVE THYROID PROB'S ALSO

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So for those that want to add in the testing of the dogs. How much are you willing to pay for a pup? I mean its going to add to the cost of your pup. Are you willing to pay premium prices to get the top shelf pup your seeking? I'm talking in the $1500-$2000 range. I bet not many. While we're at it lets throw in hip x-rays and teeth inspections, ear length inspections too.

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The more I look for answers, the more questions I have. Should we be testing for T-4 instead of T-3? Are we treating dogs for hypothyroidism that don't really have it? Can that be why all of a sudden there are more dogs with a thyroid problem? Should we give dogs that don't respond to lower doses of Synthroid T-4. Instead.
The way I understand it T-3 stimulates the thyroid gland to produce T-4.. But if the thyroid gland is damaged, you can give it big doses of T-3 and it can't produce T-4. Now is that correct?

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It sounds like several things cause it besides breeding. It sounds like it also is a problem with immune system breakdown. My hound was only 2 when he got Eurlychia and after being clear of that for 6 months it cost me $150 to have the blood work sent to Michigan and his test showed T4 level at 1.2 which is low normal. There is another thyroid level that goes from 0 through 100 and his score on that one was 16 so again not even close to the mid level. The lab in Michigan is supposed to be the best.

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novicane65 to test and enter a stud dog in the F.O.A . data base would cost around 200$ a year . same for dam of a littler . a litter of 8 would be a cost of 25 $ per pup to cover cost.one stud fee for male.

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novicane65 to test and enter a stud dog in the F.O.A . data base would cost around 200$ a year . same for dam of a littler . a litter of 8 would be a cost of 25 $ per pup to cover cost.one stud fee for male.

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One thing that is confusing to me is when we talk about autoimmune antibodies. Autoimmune antibodies confirms that a dog is genetically "predisposed" to having hypothyroidism doesn't it? But it doesn't mean that they have or will have hypothyroidism. It means that they have a higher chance of having it.
Now the second thing is the "normal level". Vets say "normal" is 1.5-4. But a lot of these houndsmen say that their dogs perform better at 3-4. Some of these dogs test at 1.5-2.5 when they are not on meds. Now according to Vets, these dogs do not have hypothyroidism. I wonder how they came up with these "normal" levels? And does the thyroid level in a "normal" dog go up and down over time? Is it higher/lower when they first get up in the morning as opposed to when they are exercising? Are there any dogs that test at 3-4 when not on meds?

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