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I too like what John is doing on here. I will post a scenario that actually happened to me while judging a cast one night.

4 dog cast- All dogs leave like their on a mission. After 10 minutes Dog A strikes and is declared treed shortly after. After 5 is up cast proceeds to the tree and only find dog A treed.

After shining tree for a couple minutes, handler of Dog A begins squalling. Handler of dog B steps up to the judge and says dog A is scratched, as 7 minutes have not yet elapsed . As the Judge what decision do you come too when faced with this issue.

Oh by the way Dog A was ahead in this cast before we dropped loose in this spot.

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Thats a tough decision. Id probably minus his tree points and track points and
If they didnt like that they could take a vote. Thats a tough spot cause he wasnt suppose to squall. Ive made the mistake though cause i hunt both pkc and ukc and this is a rule easyly missed.

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no squalling before the 7 unless all dogs are treed. 6u in the rules says its a scratchable offense

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He can squall.. (6u).. because all dogs that had been struck were handled. (gotta read the whole rule)

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He can squall.. (6u).. because no other dogs had been struck.

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if no other dogs are struck he can squal.

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10/4 you can squall only 1 dog struck

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if no other dogs are struck he can squal.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
He can squall.. (6u).. because all dogs that had been struck were handled. (gotta read the whole rule)

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I think he can be scratched but me personally would give him a break with a warning if it was a good cast unless a vote was asked to be taken. That is a good question though and would like to know the correct answer.

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Its a simple one if he is the only one struck then he can blow the reeds out. If another dog was struck then he can be scratched.

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Its a simple one if he is the only one struck then he can blow the reeds out. If another dog was struck then he can be scratched.

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when I judge the best dog wins I would just say hey man you cant do that yet....its all about the dogs when I judge,and no matter how dirty me and my hound get done when someone else is judging,when im judging best dog wins...

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Glad the rules were re-written to try to clarify... I thought this was cut and dry? He can squall all he wants until another dog is struck.... If the dog comes to that tree he is shut out on strike anyway...

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Thats a tough decision. Id probably minus his tree points and track points and
If they didnt like that they could take a vote. Thats a tough spot cause he wasnt suppose to squall. Ive made the mistake though cause i hunt both pkc and ukc and this is a rule easyly missed.

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Originally posted by Kissyandmister
he WAS struck but he was then Ttreed. Do you think the handler of dog A would go to squalling if he was just struck in and trailing?... Come on.!even comp hunting rules have a little bit to do with real coon hunting sometimes.

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Originally posted by joey
Its a simple one if he is the only one struck then he can blow the reeds out. If another dog was struck then he can be scratched.

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if no other dogs have struck he isnt interfering with them because they arent doin anything. even if they come in they dont get any minus because they have never been struck in. if a dog has been struck in have to wait 7 minutes to squall.

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Some of u guys need to buy the little red book! It is easy! Look under handler related offenses! Section u. States clearly!,for squalling,tapping on trees,pulling vines,or any action deemed to be interfering with dogs! During the first 7 minutes! U ARE SCRATCHED,!! UNLESS! ALL DOGS ARE HANDLED!



Sorry Woodmaster. I meant to hit the quote button on your post. Instead I nailed the edit button. My response is the first on page 2.

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Originally posted by woodsmaster77
Some of u guys need to buy the little red book! It is easy! Look under handler related offenses! Section u. States clearly!,for squalling,tapping on trees,pulling vines,or any action deemed to be interfering with dogs! During the first 7 minutes! U ARE SCRATCHED,!! UNLESS! ALL DOGS ARE HANDLED!

In this scenario,he just says dog a is handled ,so must mean other 3 are out hunting! Therfore to me dog a. Is scratched!

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Originally posted by Kissyandmister
he WAS struck but he was then Ttreed. Do you think the handler of dog A would go to squalling if he was just struck in and trailing?... Come on.!even comp hunting rules have a little bit to do with real coon hunting sometimes.

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Originally posted by woodsmaster77
Some of u guys need to buy the little red book! It is easy! Look under handler related offenses! Section u. States clearly!,for squalling,tapping on trees,pulling vines,or any action deemed to be interfering with dogs! During the first 7 minutes! U ARE SCRATCHED,!! UNLESS! ALL DOGS ARE HANDLED!

In this scenario,he just says dog a is handled ,so must mean other 3 are out hunting! Therfore to me dog a. Is scratched!

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by woodsmaster77
[B]Some of u guys need to buy the little red book! It is easy! Look under handler related offenses! Section u. States clearly!,for squalling,tapping on trees,pulling vines,or any action deemed to be interfering with dogs! During the first 7 minutes! U ARE SCRATCHED,!! UNLESS! ALL DOGS ARE HANDLED!


is this what the rule book says ????


its not to hard to understand if it is.

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If I'm judging this cast. I scratch him. Then we go back to moh see what he says.

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If I'm judging this cast. I scratch him. Then we go back to moh see what he says.

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