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Interesting that the FDA is implying that there may be a link between heart disease and certain grain-free dogfood. You be the judge:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dog-fo...-investigation/

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I suspect that the problems are associated with the quality of the non grain items in these feeds. Hormone laced meat products, hormones not needed by healthily animals and are not killed by cooking. Imo. Dave

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I'll be interested to see how this plays out. I jumped on the no corn, no grain bandwagon initially, but am reconsidering what I think I know about dogfood, and I'm trying to sort this all out like everyone else is. Several of the feeds listed that I recognize are "higher end" feeds, and it really makes me wonder about the quality (and quantity) of whatever may be replacing grain or corn in the feed I use.

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It is starting to look like corn may be good for dogs after all. I wonder if the dog food companies just tried to brainwash everyone so they could charge more for meat based dog food when the price of corn went up? If corn is bad for dogs then why did we feed it for 100 yrs with no problems? We have only been feeding corn free or meat based for 10 yrs and we already have problems. If corn is bad for you, why are all of those corn fed Midwestern girls so pretty and so healthy?

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Uncooked grains in dog foods are bad. Fully cooked and gelatinized starch in dog feed is a good source of natural energy, carbohydrates and vitamins which totally meat based foods may lack.

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DOGS DO NOT EAT GRAIN NATURALY, NUFF SAID

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A dog is carnivorous just like a wolf or coyote...in the wild they eat natural meat that is fresh and not contaminated with hormones and that poison they give animals to put them down...and other medications in trying to save an animal and when they die they make them into dog food...don’t know this as fact but have read comments of this nature in the past...

Carnivores are meat eaters yet when a rabbit is caught by a coyote the internals are eaten as well...the intervals is predigested and digested vegetation on account rabbits are vegetarian...right now it seems the dog foods with corn in them are the lesser of the two negatives...

I have been using a corn based dog food and the dogs are doing well...I am also thinking a raw chicken quarter twice a week along with the corn based dog food...

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I watched one of my coonhounds years ago pull ears of corn off the stocks and eat it many nights when hunting. Her mother I had to watch closely if she was loose in the yard she'd take ripe tomatoes off the vines in the garden and eat them. Heave had a number of dogs that would eat wild apples too. Dogs will eat a lot of things that many people don't realize they do.

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Now days if the animal, beef or whatever it may be if it can't stand up on it's own without any help it may not be used for dog food.
Even wolves, coyote, fox will eat corn, berries, vegetation, acorns etc.

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Now days if the animal, beef or whatever it may be if it can't stand up on it's own without any help it may not be used for dog food.
Even wolves, coyote, fox will eat corn, berries, vegetation, acorns etc.

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Animals need protein and carbs just like humans do, meat is protein and does not provide the carbs needed. Animals will eat berries and grain if given a chance. Dog feed with protein and a source of carbs is a better choice than a straight protein or meat based diet, just saying! Dave

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I watched one of my coonhounds years ago pull ears of corn off the stocks and eat it many nights when hunting. Her mother I had to watch closely if she was loose in the yard she'd take ripe tomatoes off the vines in the garden and eat them. Heave had a number of dogs that would eat wild apples too. Dogs will eat a lot of things that many people don't realize they do.

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My wife has a little terrier mix that will eat almost anything that you drop in the floor while cooking. She loves raw carrots. She also loves corn, especially popcorn. She loves Fritoes and will eat potatoes but prefers potatoe chips. But she won't eat onions. Canned green beans are great for a sick or pregnant dog. As I said, dog food companies are using "meat based" to sell us higher priced dog food and make more money. "Meat based" sounds great and a picture of a wolf on the bag looks great but I bet that they don't have any real research that shows it is better for dogs than grain based. The vegetarians have been trying to tell us for years that red meat is not good for us.

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I don’t think there’s any actual proof that grain free is directly linked to heart disease. I know multiple people who have feed grain free foods for quite some time with no issues, some having breeds known for DCM.
I wish I could feed completely raw but don’t have the knowledge, resources or money to do so. Mine currently eat Acana and Purina Pro Plan.

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My friend set up a trail camera to see what was eating the oranges off his trees. It was coyotes.

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GMO Grains? Closing down the US horse slaughter market? idk...

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I have 3, 15 year olds that have survived their entire lives on Pro Plan and occasional pieces of rabbit poop from yard scavenging.

Go figure.....

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gotta laugh at some of the posts people make about dog feed/ to way they stand to pee. lot of unknown knowledge on this board. fig just feed them what ever they will eat. worked for decades before so many people got educated about dogs

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Uncooked grains in dog foods are bad. Fully cooked and gelatinized starch in dog feed is a good source of natural energy, carbohydrates and vitamins which totally meat based foods may lack.

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So in other words, dog food companies went to plant based proteins because they are more easily manufactured due to having less variability. Or more easily standardized thus having a more stable quality control. So what started out as a noble idea in meat based foods, became a logistical nightmare once they started manufacturing it. Having to find a way to cut corners to keep cost affordable or worse yet use a product that can have 20% swings in the nutritional range.
Sounds exactly like every business model I’ve ever seen. They marketed it beautifully too. To bad, we as a public are so prone to jump on the bandwagon. Maybe we could have avoided all these thyroid problems and health issues. Not to mention those who discovered another upper with the newfound thyroid pill availability.
Glad mine still eat good ol’ corn based dog food. Not sure I could keep up with them if they had a specialty feed!

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I bought two bags of Purina Dog Chow today. That makes about 60 years in a row. They're fat and slick and tree coons. I never won the world hunt but, I hunt blue ticks so it's probably not the dog food"s fault.

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