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Ok it's all us guys that try and make things work fault. But at least we try but yes we are tired and yes we are ready for changes and until you have held that moh card in your pocket as many years as some of us you will never understand how a man feels when sombody that don't a maybe never had one tells you if you don't like it quit. Now Dave I ain't directing that at you just making a statement. Like I said this is a place to talk about helpful ideas but in the grand scheme of things you can say it on here but if your not out there making it work you always can get on here and say ............ Told y'all that crap wouldn't work. !!



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Tar you should have thought of that. If you want better attendance just shut the door.

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Ahh jack I can't win I don't even know why I try lol.


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Gentleman,
Lets be honest about all this.

Back in the day, as y'all say!
And I understand well.
Hides brought a $ or 2!

Sure y'all recall them days?
Early 80's when a hide would get you a easy 40$ or more at the least !

The elder men, that had been around for a day or 2! Was reaping the rewards! He had kids , grand kids , and the local young men / women that took interest!!! More than likely do to the CASH!!!!!

All of the above!!!! Found it a GREAT thing to put a TITLE on what ever dog that they was hunting!!!

HEY!!!! If I can tree all this MONEY!!! I am sure someone would like a PUP out of my Dog!!! Lets show him, or her off!!!!!

Flash forward , Not that way!

The CASH was the reward! And , you really won't get that in the UKC!

The young ones today , have NO! Interest , in simple BRAGGING rights.....

That in my opinion, is why you will see the younger hunters , going the way of the other KC's

maybe I am way wrong?
But , the way I see it....

They may enjoy the sport, the fun, excitement of it all!!!
But, If it does not pay out....
They will see it as , what is the point?

if I am wrong Fine , so be it!

Just my take on it....

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Mike spoke the truth, it takes a bunch of dedicated members to make any club work. ( I ) doesn't cut it, we does a lot better in the long run. I have been a part of several sucessfulI civic clubs, all of which had members that worked together. Any club needs members that will work together, each being a part that does its part. Nuff said, Dave

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Your absolutly right doc you couldn't have said it no better. That's what I meant by mentioning the non sanctioned hunts wasent rubbing ukc I was making a point. They get no titles , they get no points , they got choices they can make and they get money. If you make the titles harder to obtain your going to have to give more than a win slip. I like a win slip but I am old school lol.


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Or you can get on here and keep patting ole Robert on the back. Every time I read your post all I read is “I”. Never see WE, US. That’s what we are saying.
“YOU” can never do it all, but a working Club can. A club is not 1 person a club is several. There is a Beagle club up in Coshocton Ohio that is one of the strongest clubs I have ever seen. But you never see just one person doing it all.

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I was an officer in my club for many years, we had a very strong club. Members worked together and we always had a sizable bank account. We bought truck loads of raccoons at 30.00 apiece to stock in these mts , as we had a very low population at the time. After several years of restocking raccoons, we started to see a growth in the population, now one can tree coons on a steady basis with a decent dog. We always nade yearly donations to the local Vol. Fire Dept. and would help anyone in the community in need. Yes. I know what it takes to be sucessful in running a club, along with a sucessful business career. Dave

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Mike I am sorry there are three of us 4 counting corey that means when I moh or hunt dirrector that leaves three guides. Are you or Dave officers of your club I think anybody that criticizes me for what I am putting fourth 100% of my effort, my time , and my money and my suggestions should at very least be and active officer of their club. See I don't need a pat on the back I need help to make it better y'all in ? I will send you a pm when our next hunt is.



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Mike I love ya like a brouther if you look back when this thread went south you and Dave every time start over thinking things it was for suggestions from everybody not even about me at all I do it because I love it and I see other people that have nowhere else to go that love it to. Are we perfect are we prosperous are we achieving somthing great do we have a big bank account with lots of members no !! But we are trying hoping the changes will make it better. Let me ask you don't you want it better for your kids to see what we seen don't you want to see them have a good time when they go to a hunt ? I gaurentee anybody the few they are that come here they have a good time so I achieved my goal.


Ps: do me a favor pm Joey ask him what it's like to put on hunts down here its dying Mike there is very few of us old hold outs left. He will tell you the truth.

There is one club 30 miles there was 2 members at their last hunt I had to guide one shut down the others are over 70 miles except for the ones in Texas and if you like hunting near highways and in subdivisions have at it the can't even hunt 1 hour without getting dogs shot or in trouble.


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I think you and I are "barking up the wrong tree", Tar is so introverted that he thinks its all about him. Tar against the world! In the military, it was all about my men, never about me! I never done anything, they always got the credit. In my business career, I always gave credit for my sucess to those that worked for me. Now that was just me, but it WORKED, I had the best military guys you have ever seen, they would have walked through fire for me and my employees were the best. (Made me look great). Tar, you just do it your way and complain when things just won't work. I know it can't be your fault, because you have done it your way for over 40 years. Dave

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Dave you just don't understand you was praising me on the other changes thread yesterday for me saying the same things go back and look you sir are the ( I ) on here you like to argue about anything lol.



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Incoming rounds!!
I am hit!!
Medic!!



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This post is just as bad as the last one. Maybe people should read what everyone says they want and put it to use instead of just patting themselves on the backs for what they have done, but obviously not working. You want change listen to people and keep the ears open, mouth shut, and most important keep the hand off you're back..

Go back and read thru all the post about changes and why entries are down and maybe you guys in this here click will figure it all out, but you will need UKC and breed association to pass changes with in the organization. You yourself to repair problems with clubs.. to many bad apples in most clubs

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You sir just made up my mind I will call ukc and cancel my hunts in the morning. Then I will no longer belong to a click.



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Tar, I definitely tried to defend you on the other thread, but man you make it hard on yourself at times. J S. Dave P.S. I am definitely not in any clique, nor do I desire to be in any clique. I am just one of many board members that voices an opinion.

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There is one club 30 miles there was 2 members at their last hunt I had to guide one shut down the others are over 70 miles except for the ones in Texas


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Let's see there have been a bunch shut down and several more are fixing to there is 2 in Texas but they have no where to hunt really without you getting in trouble 2 east of here 70 miles and 80 miles one west of here 30 miles but it's like ours struggling Ada okla is 70 miles and the rest are over 100 but all are really small clubs with small membership one bunch comes from chickasha oklaoma that 2 1/2 hrs some come from Wichita Falls tx 2hrs some from Lawton okla about 2 hrs the pernell okla club just shut down its not just one club it's the whole area we combined with the love county club and we still only got four officers and it's just the four of us. Not spreading gloom and doom a bunch of guys still hunt young ones too! But you can have a non sanctioned hunt they come out of the wood work crap I don't know. But you can have a meeting a whole group shows up with all these ideas you get pumped up hunt time comes and nobody shows. So we are better off with plan B. Less head aches don't have to argue with nobody.



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PUT SOMETHING UP TO WIN,AND EVEN THE GRNITE'S WILL SHOW UP,I HUNTED AT A HUNT THEY HAD AT ADAIR ,OK. A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK,THEY GAVE AWAY A PAIR HUNTING BOOTS TO THE HIGH SCORING DOG OF EACH BREED,52 DOGS HUNTED AT $30 ENTRY,THAT IS $1560 BOOTS COST THEM $600,THAT IS $960 PROFIT FOR THE CLUB,WENT TO ONE AT STIGLER,THEY GAVE AWAY A RUGER 10-22 FOR HIGH SCORING DOG,$25 ENTRY,37 DOGS THAT $925 AND THE GUN COST $360,CLUB PROFIT $565,ON $15 HUNTS FOR WIN SLIPS ALL YOU ARE GETTING IS TITTLE HUNTERS.

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Another thing is the "poor boy" hunts. Used to be clubs had a poor boy hunt and the entry fees were low. All you expected to get was a win slip. Now they all are poor boy hunts with higher entry fees and still just a win slip

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Your absolutly right doc you couldn't have said it no better. That's what I meant by mentioning the non sanctioned hunts wasent rubbing ukc I was making a point. They get no titles , they get no points , they got choices they can make and they get money. If you make the titles harder to obtain your going to have to give more than a win slip. I like a win slip but I am old school lol.


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I asked a younger hunter the other night why he didn't participate in the performance program and he told me yes you could get paid from it but you have to wait a year for your money. He said a $30 hunt in the $$$ on 4 dogs you get $78 and you get it that night. Again that makes sense to me somtimes these kids got stuff better thought out than you think.



Again doc you are spot on.


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Our Club has been doing several different things to increase our numbers and it seems to be working. First of all, we have been advertising hard (mainly through FaceBook). Also, we have been awarding hunters with just more than a “win slip”. The club buys a couple bags of feed every hunt for two of the hunt winners. We buy small trophies for the overall show and hunt winners (we do a KING/Queen of Show and hunt). Been fortunate to have items donated to us to raffle off (sometimes a free raffle sometimes we sell tickets) Another thing that we have been doing is trying to get the youth involved so any Youth Hunter, anyone still in grades 12 & under, and also anyone who hunt directs ($KC and UKC if they have a handler) receive a free entry paid for by the club.
I joined this club in April or May 2017 and was voted in the be a Officer when a spot needed filled in July 2017. This club had a average so low they was almost going to loose their hunts. Then in the last 2 UKC hunts of the year after a lot of advertising and hardwork our entry numbers tripled. This shows that a little extra hard work will pay off.

Our club has a Facebook group page that we all post our pleasure hunts, hounds, and any KC hunt results on. Anyone that would like feel free to join it and check it out @ https://m.facebook.com/groups/408934332790881 . We are located in Pike County, KY. And call ourselves the Shelby Vallej CoonHunters Association

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I asked a younger hunter the other night why he didn't participate in the performance program and he told me yes you could get paid from it but you have to wait a year for your money. He said a $30 hunt in the $$$ on 4 dogs you get $78 and you get it that night. Again that makes sense to me somtimes these kids got stuff better thought out than you think.



Again doc you are spot on.


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I just listened if your going to stay in buisness in a very competitive market you have to listen and somehow give people what they want the little bit I do don't pay the bills.




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"Millennials "want instant gratification.....$78.00 is about half if not more than half of what a P.P. point is worth........Jr. has it figured out!

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