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Registered: Aug 2013
Location: Seneca, Mo
Originally posted by yadkinriver
Those were not Walkers! Well maybe not walkers. We used to have a little fox trouble with them. If we got after a fox then a fire was possible lol.
They were redbones that Cheyenne hunted with.There were no roads to drive around on and they would hunt from dusk till daylight walking those hills when dogs got treed. This would have been in the 70's and into the early 80's. People would come from all over to hunt with these dogs. He says he can't ever remember them slick treeing it just quite often took them awhile to get treed, hence the need for a fire. They carried an axe for chopping into dens and the kids climbed the trees to knock out the coons that were on the outside the dogs did the rest. They were poor people from the Buffalo hills of SW Mo and hides were high. He still loves those hills and until he fell out of a tree in his 30's never carried a rifle hunting. At the time as a kid he thought those campfire dogs with that accuracy and would get treed were the best around as I'm sure many of you at the time with those memories did. Dogs have evolved as have the men hunting them. Those hills and the tracks in them are still the same and there are still very few roads but we no longer need a fire and a pack of dogs to tree them. As for hunting the frozen tundra the man has hunted I would estimate nearly 5 night a week for 40 some years and I remember many times he would put baby crew socks on the dogs to go out in the ice.
The 80's evolution of more independence, added tree power and the competition hunts really coming into it's height imo changed the way coonhunters thought. The technology of the last decade brought to light a lot more information on what a dog is actually doing in the woods where you at one time gave a dog the benefit of the doubt you no longer do. Where you once just wanted a dog that treed coons you now want it all in one package. Accuracy, speed, mouth, handle, independence and complete indifference to all going on around him.
Fyi he discovered walkers too lol more as a rebellion against those reds, the blues of his hunting buddies and his brothers English dogs though he will tell you there were some really nice ones in the group even by his standards today. I know personally he has been following the exact kind of dog he has today for at least 28 years. He likes coons in the trees and not take all night to get it done with independence before it was even a thing (his dad hated his dogs lol)
The answer to your question evolution through breeding for specific traits. The beginning meat dogs to run wild game and tree quarry, when Harry met Sally but basically mutts who hunted. Next select breeding that began breeds defined by color, a set back for the first (also why some breeds were slower in progression, to much for "standards" not enough for hunting traits). Over compensation to get the tree power back (lost accuracy and track). The reality of this and then getting back to select breeding for it. Other breeds are now looking for the speed that others have gained is happening today. Losing over saturation of a small group of advertised studs has helped disburse bloodlines that though they may share common bloodlines have made a "soup" that has put more balance overall. All this is why imho is why it is not hard to find a dog that can consistently tree a coon by itself. The search may still continue for many on the all the eggs in one basket. Now then if you can put many of these pups and tech of today in those hands of the coonhunters of yesteryear what could you achieve? Knowledge attached to worn out boots, most those dogs that are the package deal got their start with them.
Cheyenne & Jennifer Cummings
Seneca , MO
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