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Countdown or no countdown on tree.
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Yes need Countdown. 135 67.50%
No leave it as is. 65 32.50%
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GA DAWG
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Countdown or No Countdown?

Which one is it? List the breed you support when telling your vote.
Walker and Countdown.

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unless UKC will supply the needed stop watches and a judge to run them, then no. If you have all non hunting judges, fine, go for it.

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Yes countdown . B&T

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Walker yes

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yes for countdown. Bluetick voted that way last time. Take care, Ron.

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Voted No

English; I don't see the need to add a countdown. If I'm getting beat by a dog that covers late for 75 then I have more pressing issues that a countdown wont cure. I would prefer to see the tie braking rule changed; I tree 2 coons and a emtpy and another dog trees 1 coon I don't think I should get beat.

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Plus side to it is you are looking at your stopwatch so much you don't have time to argue !!

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It's not rocket science running a countdown. Your running 5 on tree anyhow.

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Yuuup

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I don't understand people thinking this is a BIG DEAL!? Its literally 25 or 50 points difference for a dog that's 2+ minutes to cover a dog that did the work. I just can't wrap my head around it!

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What experience I have had with it they are not going to be together anyway so if they are together they get treed quick or they are not there those guys don't want them to back.

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YES!!! my breed????????????????

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Won't make any difference. Me too dogs cover as soon as one locates coon , possum or slick!

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Originally posted by Ed zachary
unless UKC will supply the needed stop watches and a judge to run them, then no. If you have all non hunting judges, fine, go for it.

I don't see how a tree countdown (the way they have it described) really makes time keeping any harder. You already have to start the "5", when you see that 2 min has expired 2nd and 3rd tree become 25 points "easy peezy" doesn't really take another watch for that.

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Those who sweat the timekeeping have obviously never done it. Even a caveman can do it.

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quote:
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Won't make any difference. Me too dogs cover as soon as one locates coon , possum or slick!


It will make a BIG difference. Might be good or it might be bad but it will definately be BIG.

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I can and have done it and I am a bonified dummy !!

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I think we should take one step back from any rule proposed and ask yourself "what does this rule change do to our future hunting" Like it or not the rules determine how our dogs will be in the future 5 or 10 years down the line. If most of the people agree that the standards of a coonhound should not be to cover then the present rule needs to be changed.
Just like if they came up with a rule that any dog with white on its ears would be penalized highly on the bench and its chances of winning would be slim. What do you think would happen. No one with show dogs would even breed close to any dogs that throw white on a pups ears and they sure wouldn't show one. Same with out competition hounds. The rules determine our future. Change them carefully!

Thankfully I have lived a long life but with that I have went from a era that all dogs treed together to one of today that most dogs are split and won't honor another dog. Now the dogs that won't honor sometimes perform to expectations and tree their coon. Many are a little nuts and will grab a tree a few trees away or jealous tree. Some will locate on the tree with the other dog just to make it hard on the handler then move on and not tree a coon because it was in the tree that another dog was treeing on. Time and rule changes over the years have warranted the need for changes to the way these dogs are trained. Some handlers have understood this and some just don't get it.

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No, just because to many people in UKC hunts have a hard enough time knowing the rules and how to apply them. 4 out of every 5 ukc cast I have been in im the only one with a stop watch in the 1st place. I like that UKC is different on this rule cause it is one of the few things that can't be argued about. I hate a cover dog but this won't affect them they will cover with in the 1st 30 sec anyway if not before.
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Re: .

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I think we should take one step back from any rule proposed and ask yourself "what does this rule change do to our future hunting" Like it or not the rules determine how our dogs will be in the future 5 or 10 years down the line. If most of the people agree that the standards of a coonhound should not be to cover then the present rule needs to be changed.
Just like if they came up with a rule that any dog with white on its ears would be penalized highly on the bench and its chances of winning would be slim. What do you think would happen. No one with show dogs would even breed close to any dogs that throw white on a pups ears and they sure wouldn't show one. Same with out competition hounds. The rules determine our future. Change them carefully!

Thankfully I have lived a long life but with that I have went from a era that all dogs treed together to one of today that most dogs are split and won't honor another dog. Now the dogs that won't honor sometimes perform to expectations and tree their coon. Many are a little nuts and will grab a tree a few trees away or jealous tree. Some will locate on the tree with the other dog just to make it hard on the handler then move on and not tree a coon because it was in the tree that another dog was treeing on. Time and rule changes over the years have warranted the need for changes to the way these dogs are trained. Some handlers have understood this and some just don't get it.



I disagree that the countdown will automatically eliminate dogs from covering. A dog that covers in that last minute can still get 125 plus points and that ain't nothing to sneeze at. Especially if the dog with first tree only struck in for 25. I doubt anyone likes or allows their dog to quit a track to go cover and most have always corrected dogs for doing that, or at least we have since the advent of TriTronics. But if a dog has nothing going and covers for plus points, who doesn't want those points?
I don't see a countdown rule making any great wholesale changes in our dogs. It WILL probably push some of these trainers to expect better of their dogs.

I don't know about anyone else but as someone still raising and trying to train dogs that win, the UKC rule book or any other rule book for that matter, is not what's on my mind when I'm in the woods working dogs. But maybe that is why I am not one of the famous trainers.

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I don't think rule changes for the sake of change is always good. I remember when we had 3 hour hunts and UKC awarded points even if you didn't win your cast. If you had 12 cast and only 7 cast came back with a cast winner and you finished second in your cast with plus points and was the next highest scoring dog you would get eight place, the next highest scoring non-cast winner would get the next place until the first 10 places were filled. People said that cheapened the nite champion title by awarding points to non-cast winners so the rule was changed. Now we'll only have one cast with 2 or 3 dogs hunting. To get that first place win you're only hunting against the 2 or 3 dogs in your cast. So which nite champion is the cheapest, the one that earned his degree hunting against 10 or 12 other cast or the dog that hunted against 2 or 3 dogs. Regardless of whether you got a placement by finishing second on your cast you still had to have that first place win. Everybody used to come back to the club and talk about the hunt and socialize because they had a chance to place even if they didn't win their cast, now the only person that comes back
is the cast winner. So my question is when are we starting the one hour hunts and hunting for money since everybody thinks the other kc's rules are the best rules to hunt by.

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