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The nice thing about the leash lock is gives the cast a better chance to relocate

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Originally posted by DeerSlyer86
nothing about a leash lock rule is good. CHKC has it right

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I guess we are going to keep the leash lock rule I think it's time to change it nobody likes to walk with their dog on the leash an hour jmo.

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1. Yes should of happened along time ago. no dog should get extra points for covering late.

2. Yes 6 minutes is plenty.

3. Deffinatley yes.

4. Don't care

5. Yes. Saves alot of hunt time.

6. Yes no brainer

7&8. Yes

9. No why reward a dog that took minus.

10&11. No

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Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
1- NO
2- OK
3- NO
4- SQUIREL NO, BIRD OK
5- DROP TO 5 MINUTES
6- YES
7- NO, here in the south and east you may spend more time trying to see the tree than looking for the coon.
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9- DON'T CARE
10- NO, to likely to be misused.
11- YES, or drop them to 30 seconds.

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What would be the reasoning for no on proposal 1? I would like to hear reasons

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What would be the reasoning for no on proposal 1? I would like to hear reasons

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Not that my opinion matters but here it is anyway.

1. Ok
2. Ok
3. No
4. Ok
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Ok
8. Ok
9. Yes
10. Ok
11. Yes

#3. I can't minus a dog for coming into a tree that might hold a coon.....maybe its just me but I'm ok with it as long as its not my dog.

#5. Should be able to squall as soon as shine time starts

#6. I don't think someone should be scratched because they missed a + or - sign on a card.

#9. A dog that trees 2 coons and a empty should beat a dog that only trees 1 coon. I do think 400- is too much tho, I would like to see it changed to 300- and their done.

#11. I don't believe a dog should get any grace period. Strike em on or before the 3rd bark each time their turned loose.

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Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
1- NO
2- OK
3- NO
4- SQUIREL NO, BIRD OK
5- DROP TO 5 MINUTES
6- YES
7- NO, here in the south and east you may spend more time trying to see the tree than looking for the coon.
8- YES
9- DON'T CARE
10- NO, to likely to be misused.
11- YES, or drop them to 30 seconds.

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Proposed rule 11...I like the fact that it will force the cast to deal with a babbler.
No more..... "let me know when the minute is up"....we getting closer to a semi-silent strike dog.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by T Felderman
One reason would be to avoid taking more minus on a slick. Seen it a few times in the other KC. "I don't like this tree I'm gonna shut my mouth". [/QUOTE
But that can bit you in the butt to if coon is seen. So have advantage both ways. My question is does a dog that covers at 3:45 deserve 75 tree points?]

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It sounds like some on here don't understand how this works. Re-read the 1st paragraph posted. Each breed association has 2 members attend this meeting at AO, so there will 14 people discuss each proposal with UKC leaders present. Some rules may be left alone & voted on as proposed. Others may voted on after being amended- example-Change squawl rule to read that you can squawl after 3 minutes instead of immediately as proposed, so it's not a totally simple process. Reps will be able to go discuss changes with assoc. members that are there before turning in vote by 3 that afternoon, which is new for this year.

Remember, each of 7 associations cast 1 vote for rules changes from your 2 reps, so if you want to get changes, you as members need to let your reps know how you feel about these proposals. Also, it is best to know who your reps are & how THEY feel about these proposals, because if 400 members call them & say they want a 'count down rule' changed to new proposal, but those reps are against it, they can still mark the ballot to not change count down rule from what it has been. JUST SAYIN', not that it will happen. I was a BBOA rep last time & some "old time" UKC hunting association reps didn't seem like they wanted changes like that even though there members seemed to voice their opinion of being in favor of change.

I believe UKC posts how each breed association voted on each issue, so if things don't change much & you don't voice your opinion to your reps, then the only one to blame is yourself.

Hope this don't confuss you more, but was just trying to let everyone know how this meeting goes & how proposals are voted in or out. Take care, Ron.

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I must be in the minority when it comes to a tree countdown. That has to be my least favorite proposal of all (and yes I read the one about the Squirrels) lol

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I'm good with all them but number 3. I can't c minusing a dog for coming it a tree after judge arrives. If tree is circled ain't fair to dog that came in . Cuz this time of yr a slick tree dog gets circle Cuz of leaves an other one gets minus . Then ol me too er covers the dog that got minus on a coon an he wins

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I'm good with all them but number 3. I can't c minusing a dog for coming it a tree after judge arrives. If tree is circled ain't fair to dog that came in . Cuz this time of yr a slick tree dog gets circle Cuz of leaves an other one gets minus . Then ol me too er covers the dog that got minus on a coon an he wins

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#3 is a no Brainer. Why would a dog that A. took over 5 min. to come in or B. stopped what it was doing to see what was going on, receive anything but minus?

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Explain what you mean by #7

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Good job Allen and team UKC ,, and all of the other breed representatives for putting a new and approved twist on 50 year old set of rules

#1 is not a count down ,, if your dog cant cover in 2 minutes , it don't deserve nothing but 25, and its hard to imagine anyone being against it

# 5 has been a long time coming ,,

# 2 I could go either way ,,on a cold frosty night a dog sometimes don't open as often

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11: the way I see it in the hunts now is that the honest handler may recognize the fact that his dog babbles and he does right by not striking him. If I read the proposal correctly, the way I see it happening after first drop is all the babblers are gonna get struck in off the chain. The honest dog is gonna get out there and strike honestly (taking 3rd or 4th strike) before the strike time expires. Gonna be a lot of scratching babbling dogs.

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You can say goodbye to 750+ scores as there will be a ton of 225+ cast winners.

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Changing rule 11 will only help the babbling dogs.Now the guy who would not strike his dogs when it leaves barking three or 4 times will have to along with the babblers and there will be no one to vote to minus the babblers.

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#9 is an absolute no

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Rule 8 on no leash lock would need refined in order to work. Right now trees can be scored out of order. If one dog gets treed first and scored after another the latter dog should not be allowed to be cut loose until first is scored. Also on running the 8 min a hustling dog should not break the 8 on a dog out there doing nothing. I'm all for no leash lock but that is a reason that another kc had 2 instances where you are leash locked and that is scoring trees out of order and when the 6min in there case is running on a dog you wait for it to open, this allows for a dog to be minused for quiting a track not rewarded for the hustling dog or the Barker as many of us have drew to break it for them.
I'm all for a no leash lock rule but this one would have to be tweaked to work otherwise it's a train wreck.

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With the style of dogs hunting today yes that dog treed deep could have a slick or circle but you are on the leash unable to compete most would be scared to cut to a treed dog but at least you got a chance to tree a coon before you get there say you walk with your dog on the leash for 45 minutes just before you get there the dog leaves the tree that dog has just wasted that cast down here in thin coons you need to be able to compete the whole two hours the leash lock only benefits the blow out of the world dog that don't want a big score just wants a cast win to advance jmo.

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