novicane65
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Originally posted by DL NH
Mr. Depue,
Are you saying you can teach a coon hound how to run a track? How to accurately locate the right tree most of the time? How to drift a track and when to slow down and walk it out if that’s what’s required to get it up to a running track? How to cold trail a track up into a running track? Which way is the right way on track? There’s a whole lot more back tracking ending up in empty trees and dens than many realize or want to admit.
To be sure, there are some really good hound men/women that have skillfully trained there dogs to handle extremely well.
Bird dogs operate from several verbal/voice, hand and whistle commands. I think most would agree bird dog training is far more intense and complex than training hounds.
But..........I could be wrong!
No those are traits or skills that can be learned from experience.
Bird dogs also operate in sight of the handler 75% of the time. Honestly I don't think its harder to "train" a bird dog. All the things you listed you can't teach a bird dog either. You can't force train a bird dog on any of those things you listed in the hound section of your reply. You can teach them to leave old scent alone, same as a hound. You can't teach a bird dog how to track either, they do it or they don't. It's a natural ability in either type of dog. I do know what you're saying about the back tracking. And it happens in bird dogs too. The ones who say otherwise haven't been around many bird dogs then. You ever hear of a false point? Or a point with no bird to flush? It happens. Why is it some dogs can stick a point at 60 yards while others can't until they're within 20? Is it training or traits/skill set? Not all bird dogs are created equal, just like hounds. They all don't have the same skill set or traits. And yes bird dogs can operate on several different types of commands. But its not super common for 1 dog to be able to do all you listed. Some dogs naturally back a point, others you have to teach it to, some never will learn it. Some dogs you can't get steady to wing, others to the shot. Not all bird dogs can point either, some you have to teach them, others never learn nor inherited the trait.
The point I'm trying to make is you're trying to compare apples to oranges. Both are fruit but very different games, styles and types of dogs. Now if you compared beagles to coonhounds, or Running dogs to coonhounds then your comparing red apples to green apples.
I'll pm you. We're getting a little off on the original subject.
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