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Problem Barking

Does anyone have suggestions to help alleviate problem barking in young B&T's? My male is almost 5 months old and has a barking problem. I was told not to use a bark collar on a coon hound for they won't bay at coons when you train them and when they go hunting. My female is almost 7 months old and she is not quite as bad as the male is.

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From past and present experience a bark collar will absolutely not effect them baying a coon or barking at all. 99% of hounds will associate wearing the collar in their kennel or at their home and not bark there. Take it off and they will bark at a Coon or in the woods just fine. Most hound once used to it will even test it to make sure it is on them and working.

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Garmin Bark Limiter is a jewel in my book! Got 4 of them and they work great!

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So is what I am being told by people at the local feed store inaccurate?

They told me that if I put a bark limiter/collar on my coon hounds they won't bark at the coons when hunting. I read that somewhere on a google search as well. I do not want to ruin my dogs before they learn to hunt. But we can't have their barking becoming a nuisance.

Are the Garmins really good? They are pretty spendy, so I wanna make sure they work like they're supposed to before purchasing.

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? Are your dogs housed together? If your 2 pups aren't see if there is a way to take out a center panel in your kennel so they can be. Even if it has 2 houses I guarantee that they co sleep. Young pups get bored and together they are usually quieter. I have 4 pups in my yard right now and rarely hear a peep from them but they have space to roam and entertain each other. They are never separated until more mature and are at an age where they are hunted regularly wearing off enough energy that barking isn't a problem. Mine typically just run loose, a blessing here but at times they have to be kenneled they are housed together. If they were a little older or were be hunted and exercised regularly I would then recommend a bark collar or training collar.
I saw your post about feed on a previous post also. I would recommend fixing it where they are on full feed (always available) some use an automatic feeder I simply have a short plastic tote in the shed they sleep in (together) that we add a little to each day, it is never empty. New comers may eat more the first few days until they realize it's always there then levein out. There is also no problem with food aggression when never empty and pups never hungry. This also cuts down on the barking. A few things for them to chew on doesn't hurt either.

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Yes, they are together. Their kennel is approximately 15 ft long by about 8 feet wide. Completely enclosed. The metal shed we use as a dog house is enclosed on all 4 sides, top to bottom. Have 2 heat lamps inside due to cold weather. We live in NW New Mexico, temps have been dropping significantly recently to the 20's at night. They sleep together, they play together, they also bark together LOL.

We have a dog run, but we have to fix it to where they can't escape as the fence is only 5 ft. tall and it needs strengthened too. So for now, they have to stay in their kennel all the time until we fix the dog run. When we first got them, they were little enough to where they couldn't escape the dog run. But they are both huge now, and have escaped the dog run three times now.

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So is what I am being told by people at the local feed store inaccurate?

Are the Garmins really good? They are pretty spendy, so I wanna make sure they work like they're supposed to before purchasing.



The Garmin bark collars have been excellent for me. I wouldn't use them on young pups. Guess it would depend on circumstances for 7-8 mos olds. I definitely would not put them on any dogs kenneled together. Young dogs tend to play and often bark, yip or tussle when playing. This would set the collar off and likely make the one being stimulated think it was being done by its kennel mate. That could cause problems between the 2 dogs that could carry over to other dogs. Don't do that!

My dogs are kenneled individually and they work excellent for me when needed.

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The thing about dogs...always try to make sure kennels and fencing are built strong enough to contain dogs or they will get the mindset they can escape once they have...prevention is key...

Barking collars...I like Garmin on account the battery last a long time between charges and they are tough...having pups together with bark collars could possibly be a problem...they will chew them off each other and then really chew them up...

Things we can do to minimize barking...

Never encourage pups to bark when you are out by kennels...do not give them any attention when in kennel and they bark...

Only walk up to kennel and give attention when they donít bark...

When you drive up to the house and they bark do not go to kennel and give attention...otherwise they will bark until you give attention...wait until they stop barking before you step out...or correct barking and stay in your house for about ten minutes before going out to kennels...you train them and donít let them train you...

Also, if you try to correct them for barking and you half heartedly do it they will see it as worth doing because they got attention even though it came with slight punishment...

Sometimes without realizing it we encourage bad behavior from our pups and dogs...we just need to learn to be smarter than the dogs...I been around them for many years and still learning...

This is not a true fix but it helps quite a bit...
There are other things that can be done...

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So is what I am being told by people at the local feed store inaccurate?

They told me that if I put a bark limiter/collar on my coon hounds they won't bark at the coons when hunting. I read that somewhere on a google search as well. I do not want to ruin my dogs before they learn to hunt. But we can't have their barking becoming a nuisance.



The only way a bark collar, around the house, would stop them from barking at a coon in the field is if the dog is a really poorly bread junk dog.

When my hound was younger he wore one around the house all the time, and usually in the dog box when traveling to go hunting. Took it off and he would open like a champ on coon tracks.

And in general, yes most of what you hear at the feed store will not be accurate, lol.

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Pet Safe, Outdoor Ultrasonic Bark Control. Got this from Big R in my town.

https://store.petsafe.net/outdoor-bark-control

Would this be a solution or not? I don't want to create more problems than I already have with their barking.

My female is a Ken Duncan hound, from Utah. My male is a Sammie Wynn hound, from Tennessee.


Our kennel and dog run is on the side of the house, our driveway in front is a circular driveway, and they know when we are outside or coming or going from the house. No way to avoid that. They do not stop barking when we come or go from the house, and do not know how to correct that because they are inside the kennel, which is inside the dog run. We don't have a gate to the kennel in front, the only way in and out of the dog run is through our utility room door in back of the house, to which we have the dog run fenced in with. Kinda hard to describe without showing pictures.

What should we use for corrective action to help stop the barking while we are outside?

My husband says we won't kennel them separately until we have pups.

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Anyone??

Returned that outdoor bark control box. Didn't work, dogs didn't even phase them.

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Garmin bark collar and all your problems will be solved end of story

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Garmin bark collar and all your problems will be solved end of story


Ditto! The collars are easy! The dogs learn quickly!

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If these were my pups I would use the Garmin...but I would separate the pups otherwise they would chew each otherís collars off and ruin them...then I would follow the advice I gave on my earlier post to minimize and discourage barking...

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A couple people above in this thread said not to put bark collars on them if they are together in the kennel...for now both my pups are in the kennel together.

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A couple people above in this thread said not to put bark collars on them if they are together in the kennel...for now both my pups are in the kennel together.


Then you won't be able to bark collars on them. Before bark collars were invented the old ways were a switch, a rock thrown, a newspaper, a water hose, BB gun shot at metal around the building, yelling until a person was hoarse, etc etc etc. Other than chew toys to keep them busy or getting them out to get them worn down with a lot of exercise those are pretty much your option. If you don't like the options then you are probably going to have to learn to enjoy their barking. If it was me, I'd separate them, which they are plenty old enough to be separated, and buy a couple Garmin collars. I have 3 Dogtra's, 3 Garmin bark eliminators, 3 shock collars with no bark function, and one of another brand that I can't remember right off the top of my head. None of my hounds has a problem barking when I take them to the woods but they know when the collar is on them in the kennel. Some will test the collar every now and then and if they find out the collar was dead they would start their nuisance barking again. Some I can let the collar go dead, or turn it off, and even let it hang loosely on them and they won't bark at all in the kennel. Again, no problems with any of my hounds barking in the woods but it sure is nice to not hear them at various times during the day. Also I prefer the Garmin or a collar that has the function of increasing intensity. Some will bark a few times until the intensity goes up but then shut up. What I don't like about collars that you set manually is one bark gets them a harder shock right off of the bat so it is very unforgiving. A friend of mind has the PetSmart brand and he said for the most part they work well but he had one or two that they would bark thru the shock so he had to get another brand that gave the dog a little stronger medicine to get them to shut up.

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A couple people above in this thread said not to put bark collars on them if they are together in the kennel...for now both my pups are in the kennel together.


That is true and I was one of them. If I were in your shoes I'd buy 2 collars.

Put a collar on each dog without turning them on for at least a week. Let them get use to having them on.

After at least a week turn on one on one dog. Leave the other turned off on the other dog. Alternate each day for a couple weeks. My bet is that after the first week both dogs will have curbed their barking drastically if not completely at least while they have the collars on.

You may find by letting them wear them for several days without being turned on that they won't realize it's the collar that is causing the discomfort but their barking. If they do you've got a win, win. If they don't they'll at least know that when the collar is on they'll get an uncomfortable response when they bark.

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Well, looks like I will be buying the Garmins then. Is there any model better than the other? I saw on their site about a deluxe one, but which model would be best for my situation? And what site has the best price?

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Most any hunting dog supply company has them. Bruce Conkey who posts regularly on here sells them I believe. DU Hound and Hunting Supply has them. Gun Dog supply. All these people are knowledgeable dog people who I'm sure will be more than willing to help or answer any questions you may have. You can also go to Garmin direct. I believe you'll find the price stays the same across the board no matter who you get them from.

I have the Deluxe model personally and am quite pleased with their performance.

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Sounds good. Thanks everyone. Will let you know how it goes when I get them.

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Be prepared quite often pups try to chew on each others gadgets. Hopefully yours won't.

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Will keep an eye on them, I know these collars are not cheap.

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Be prepared quite often pups try to chew on each others gadgets. Hopefully yours won't.


Good point! Maybe put collars on first few days only when you're around to keep an eye on them. For the 1st week I'd leave the collars turned off. When you do turn them on do it while you are around home and set them on auotomatic. That setting starts out as a vibration and will progress up the line in intensity to stimulation if the dog continues to bark.

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I sent you a PM .Please read it before buying any collar.
Also . Heads up . My own experience when putting bark collars with pups together. I have had them chew them off each other. I mean they actually ate the darn things.

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