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Price of hunts next year

So after talking to everyone this weekend have some questions about what we are going to charge next year for entry fee. What is everyone else charging at their club for the entry fee now that UKC has went up on price per dog?
This year we charged $15 per dog. But that's not going to work for next year.

$15 x 7 dogs= $105
-$25 Ukc licence
-$49 (7 dogs @$7) Ukc fee
-20 conservation permit
-25 for building

Puts the club -$14 if my math is right.

So what are most clubs going to charge? If we charge $20 per dog at the 7 dogs that puts the club making $21. Is that enough? Do other clubs figure more than 7 dogs? Or higher fees?

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We are going to charge $35 a round in double header mini slams that pay the hunters back.



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to be clear

$35 for an hour hunt?

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Re: to be clear

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$35 for an hour hunt?



Yup but look at it this way you get a win , you get performance points , You qualify for the $200,000 hunt and you get paid that night in cash green dollars all for $35 I know I am a big dummy buuuuuuut !


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35.00 sounds good for a mini slam hunt, at least you have a chance of winning something for your entry fee besides UKC cast wins. Winner winner, chicken dinner. Dave

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Re: Price of hunts next year

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Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
So after talking to everyone this weekend have some questions about what we are going to charge next year for entry fee. What is everyone else charging at their club for the entry fee now that UKC has went up on price per dog?
This year we charged $15 per dog. But that's not going to work for next year.

$15 x 7 dogs= $105
-$25 Ukc licence
-$49 (7 dogs @$7) Ukc fee
-20 conservation permit
-25 for building

Puts the club -$14 if my math is right.

So what are most clubs going to charge? If we charge $20 per dog at the 7 dogs that puts the club making $21. Is that enough? Do other clubs figure more than 7 dogs? Or higher fees?


If you charge 20 as opposed to the 15 that you normally charge your clubs profit margin should be the exact same as last year.

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Re: Re: Price of hunts next year

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If you charge 20 as opposed to the 15 that you normally charge your clubs profit margin should be the exact same as last year.


Unless the $5 more per entry makes someone not hunt as many hunts.

(We are going to charge $35 a round in double header mini slams that pay the hunters back.)

Slam Events:
Clubs may schedule any one or more of their scheduled dates as a Slam Event. Clubs have the option of $20, $30 or $50 entry fees. $20 and $30 entry fees pay out 55% of the total entry income. $50 entry fees pay out 75% of the total entry income.

I don't know anything about slam events. Can you have a $35 hunt? If so that puts you paying out $19.25 per dog and making $15.75 if it's 55% payout. That'll make the club some money. But that puts people paying $140 for a two night doubleheader. And yes some stand to win money but the rest are losing money. I could do that every so often but if you can spend $140 every weekend on entry fees, is the place your working for, hiring? And yes, you don't have to go every weekend. Pick the hunts you want to go to, but doesn't that just mean less dogs at each hunt?

We had our BBCHA sec and some people complained about the $20 entry fee, and didn't hunt the late round.

Some of the clubs around here are doing good other are struggling just wondering what people are doing before your club meetings so we can get some ideas to vote on. Thanks for the ideas, and help.

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I can't bring myself to pay for the 1 hour double header hunts. $30.00 for a one hour hunt?????? It is too steep for me! I restrict myself to $600.00/month. That includes all my gas, dog feed, vet bills, and other various expenses. Oh I only get paid on the last working day of the month. Budgeting is the only way I can get from one month to another.

I expect the IRS to figure out about the money hunts sooner than later. Yep, I really want to have to claim my hobby as part of my IRS bill.

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$25 license fee plus $7 per dog(assuming that is correct) has made the $15 hunt obsolete. Obviously UKC is not going to dip into their profits and the clubs can not and remain viable. That leaves the hunter to fund his endeavors. I will say for most clubs with the size of the average hunt the fees are out of line. UKC will boast about big money pay outs. All this is on the shoulders of the clubs who will have to pass it on to the hunter. As the old saying goes, the buck stops here. That has to be the hunter.

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quote:
Originally posted by J Gearing
$25 license fee plus $7 per dog(assuming that is correct)

8/30/19
Tonight at Autumn Oaks, UKCís Allen Gingerich announced the UKC TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS!
Coming in 2021...
$200,000 total purse for event
$50,000 to overall first place winner
Designed to: boost UKC Coonhound club nite hunt entries by requiring five cast wins at UKC licensed nite hunts in 2020 to qualify for the UKC Tournament of Champions.
UKC Tournament of Champions is: supported by increasing UKC licensed nite hunt recording fees to $7 per dog starting in 2020, allowing an event of this level to be possible while keeping UKC nite hunts affordable for all.

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quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
We are going to charge $35 a round in double header mini slams that pay the hunters back.



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With those what's the break even number, 6 dogs or so not counting the building?

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MY building is free and I will have a bench show I am the judge so thatís free. If I get 4 dogs on the bench it pays my hunt packet. Thatís why clubs need a licensed bench show judge. We charge $15 for the bench show thatís $60. I havenít seen the paper work on the minie slams yet we held off till after the 1rst of the year where the guys wins would count to get them qualified for the $200,000 hunt and they get to hunt under the new rules.


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Theres something else going on.

Assuming a $25 entry fee!!!


PKC has 60% in awards, 20% for the club, 12% PKC, 8% Escrow. That's $5/dog for the club.

UKC, under this scenario, if they match the participant awards of PKC would be giving 60% in awards, 12% to the club, and 28% to UKC. That's $3/dog for the club. That's 40% less for the clubs (the backbone), assuming no escrow.

AKC offers 70% to participants, 30% to clubs (but after accounting for their per dog fee), it's really 16% to clubs, and 14% to AKC. That equates to $4/dog for the club.

All of these scenarios exclude licensing/event fees.

Why (if you are UKC) would you present clubs with scenarios of making 40% less than they would with PKC, and 25% less than they would with AKC???

So, from a club perspective, it's:
$3/dog UKC
$4/dog AKC
$5/dog PKC

I'm sure UKC is aware of the competition, and what they offer.

Something doesn't smell right!

There are better ways to take on the competition.

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I am just giving the guys what they want. I can have the minie slams and pay them that night or I can have a regular hunt and save up and give it back to them later. As long as we got enough left over for a pot of red beans or chili anything over that is a bonus.



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Pkc 1 hr hunts are $30 and more hunters attend them than $20 ukc hunts around here. If you canít afford to pay another $5-10 for a chance to win your money back, maybe this sport isnít for you.

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quote:
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MY building is free and I will have a bench show I am the judge so thatís free. If I get 4 dogs on the bench it pays my hunt packet. Thatís why clubs need a licensed bench show judge. We charge $15 for the bench show thatís $60. I havenít seen the paper work on the minie slams yet we held off till after the 1rst of the year where the guys wins would count to get them qualified for the $200,000 hunt and they get to hunt under the new rules.


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Does the new $7 fee to UKC apply to bench show entries too? So, your $60 for 4 dogs would then be only $32?

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quote:
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Does the new $7 fee to UKC apply to bench show entries too? So, your $60 for 4 dogs would then be only $32?



No you already pay the $2 per dog plus the hunt packet fee. That $5 a dog is put in escrow for the $200,000 hunt. You win 5 strait cast it cost you an extra $25 to qualify for that hunt not to bad huh.


Go to the $$$ world hunt you got to win $100 to qualify and $300 a night to try and advance. They paid $30,000 for first place the ukc hunt pays $50,000 first $30,000 second $20,000 third $10,000 forth. I am impressed!!


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At my club we have been charging 10.00 for the bench show & 20.00 for the hunt. On our Sectionals, we charged 15.00 / 25.00.
We have decided to increase entries by the extra 5.00 that UKC is starting in 2020.

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Hmmm

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I am just giving the guys what they want. I can have the minie slams and pay them that night or I can have a regular hunt and save up and give it back to them later. As long as we got enough left over for a pot of red beans or chili anything over that is a bonus.



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Your building ain't got lights, water, or taxes?

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Pkc

quote:
Originally posted by honalieh
Assuming a $25 entry fee!!!


PKC has 60% in awards, 20% for the club, 12% PKC, 8% Escrow. That's $5/dog for the club.

UKC, under this scenario, if they match the participant awards of PKC would be giving 60% in awards, 12% to the club, and 28% to UKC. That's $3/dog for the club. That's 40% less for the clubs (the backbone), assuming no escrow.

AKC offers 70% to participants, 30% to clubs (but after accounting for their per dog fee), it's really 16% to clubs, and 14% to AKC. That equates to $4/dog for the club.

All of these scenarios exclude licensing/event fees.

Why (if you are UKC) would you present clubs with scenarios of making 40% less than they would with PKC, and 25% less than they would with AKC???

So, from a club perspective, it's:
$3/dog UKC
$4/dog AKC
$5/dog PKC

I'm sure UKC is aware of the competition, and what they offer.

Something doesn't smell right!

There are better ways to take on the competition.



Already alot of talk around here about going pkc. Guess run the numbers and see. If there's enough people for it Ukc may take a back seat. Rules vary but same principal strike and tree your dog, right?

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Re: Pkc

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Already alot of talk around here about going pkc. Guess run the numbers and see. If there's enough people for it Ukc may take a back seat. Rules vary but same principal strike and tree your dog, right?


Only difference is the elimination style hunt format at bigger hunts.

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DeKalb County Coon hunters,Hamilton Indiana are only going to charge $25.00

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Re: Hmmm

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Your building ain't got lights, water, or taxes?



Itís the fair building and I am the administrator I get it for free.


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Re: Pkc

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Already alot of talk around here about going pkc. Guess run the numbers and see. If there's enough people for it Ukc may take a back seat. Rules vary but same principal strike and tree your dog, right?

Depending on your building situation and you have the guys who will want to hunt pkc, it is very hard to lose out on PKC hunts.. pay $110 and you can have a hunt once a month and itíll pay for itself and may help them pkc guys to your ukc hunts

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That's awesome

quote:
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Itís the fair building and I am the administrator I get it for free.


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That definitely helps your club. 1 club around here uses the boys scout house. It doesn't take some Mansion to have a hunt, but if it's not free the club has to do something to pay for it. Some of the clubs around here are making more off HTX and club hunts than off their Ukc hunts. Always looking for ways to do better.

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