Registered: Mar 2007
Location: Clintwood, Va.
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Let’s discuss it....

I’ve dealt in hounds for 30+ years and one of the hardest things to find, outside of accuracy, is hunting power. Back in the day I didn’t want a reverse, I wanted him to go til treed every time. Any more I would rather a dog hunt 600-800 yards, covering a lot of ground, it’s hard not to strike a coon like that, no need in one going a mile now days, if he can’t find one in that distance it doesn’t hurt my feelings a bit for him to come back, we’ll go somewhere else. Is that bred in them or are they trained that way. It’s almost impossible to make a dog go hunting that doesn’t want to, so buying one that has no hunt and trying to fix it is about impossible, for me anyway. So what do you do? When ur training a dog how do u hunt them to try to create the style u want?

In my country we generally walk our dogs. Turn um loose and just go in the general direction, well we used to, a lot more coons now than it used to be. It’s easier for us to cut them from the truck now and just wait. I know a lot of you hunt that way. How do u train your dogs to hunt from the truck? Do the dogs u have just automatically cast like that from a young age? Are u hunting them with another dog that’s pulling them in there? I’m just curious if this hunting style is taught or are they bred for it??

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Location: north ala.
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I believe the desire to get in the dark is in the breeding but you can fine tune it a little bit also. The style is really hard to change, most come here with an imprint as to the distance and pattern they hunt....Jmo.

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Let me start by saying he's a dog so on any given night all bets are off. I raised him from a pup. Broke him to a toner at a young age ( by 4 months old). Started simply in the yard with treats. Then as we went for walks, letting him range out more each time. On a normal night he'll go until he trees, but at any time I'm done for any reason, I simply tone him and in he comes. The most he's been and toned back was 1.24 miles according to Garmin. It took him a min. He back tracked he's self right back. I reset the Garmin and he was moving 9.7 mph on the way back. Yes I said anytime, if nothing is going, if he's tracking and if he's treed. I've at different times had to do all. Close to roads, on the wrong side of a big Creek. When looking at swimming or driving and walking miles that tone button is alright.
Now my thoughts on breeding verses training. I believe you can slow a dog down, or get him to check back in, or change most things about his Gears as long as you're Gearing him down. In most cases I've heard of trying to gear one up, don't work. I have little to no experience with that side of it. I use cage coons to train most of my pups in preparation for night hunting. First I cut them right on the spot I turned it loose. Then I begin cutting further from the spot each time, entail before long when you cut he ranges out pretty good looking for a track. Then it's time for night hunting. I generally walk hunt em the first coon or two at night. Then I pick a spot with no danger. Cut em from the old truck, and get back in and lay the seat back. Generally less than 15 minutes they are gone and have found a track. The truck deal is what I do working with any dog that won't go on it's own to start with. But I've seen dogs that won't go on there own. If that's the case start by cutting em with a dog and then wean em off it. Plus you have to work with some dogs about going alone when another dogs in the box. This same method works.
One more thing I break em to walk out without a lead when pleasure hunting, priceless feature.

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Originally posted by Shannon Senter
Let’s discuss it....

I’ve dealt in hounds for 30+ years and one of the hardest things to find, outside of accuracy, is hunting power. Back in the day I didn’t want a reverse, I wanted him to go til treed every time. Any more I would rather a dog hunt 600-800 yards, covering a lot of ground, it’s hard not to strike a coon like that, no need in one going a mile now days, if he can’t find one in that distance it doesn’t hurt my feelings a bit for him to come back, we’ll go somewhere else. Is that bred in them or are they trained that way. It’s almost impossible to make a dog go hunting that doesn’t want to, so buying one that has no hunt and trying to fix it is about impossible, for me anyway. So what do you do? When ur training a dog how do u hunt them to try to create the style u want?

In my country we generally walk our dogs. Turn um loose and just go in the general direction, well we used to, a lot more coons now than it used to be. It’s easier for us to cut them from the truck now and just wait. I know a lot of you hunt that way. How do u train your dogs to hunt from the truck? Do the dogs u have just automatically cast like that from a young age? Are u hunting them with another dog that’s pulling them in there? I’m just curious if this hunting style is taught or are they bred for it??

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Originally posted by daniel urffer
I ain't hunting in your country!! Hope you're doing well brother.

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I agree with most that has been said. Tone button is an unbelievable tool. With that said some dogs work better than others with it. Ya learn how to work a dog with it and they learn how to be worked with it. I have trained plenty of young dogs all are different so nothing set in stone.
A strong drive to hunt can always be trained no drive is a cull.
Straight line hunters are quick to get deep and from what I have seen don't ever hunt around near as well as 1 that it comes to naturally but if taught well with a Tone and the desire to hunt is there anything is possible.

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Registered: Feb 2012
Location: airville,pa
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One more thing.
None of them hunt perfectly every night.

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Registered: Dec 2005
Location: Buncombe Il.
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I believe the style of hunting that most people do now is much different for lots of reasons and the style of dog that most prefer now has caused dogs to be wilder and go wider.. So I believe breeding and how dogs are being hunted both play a role. An older man who hunted years ago made the comment that he believed the invention of the tracking system changed the way dogs hunted more then anything. Dogs are smart animals and that they learned no matter how far they went we would be able to find them. Rather then a dog circling around you every so often to check the owners whereabouts..

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