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POP, I'm surprised at your sarcasm. lol.
Haven't talked to you in a while. Have you been keep'em lookin' up?
I've got to go now, I'm thirsty. It's koolaid time. See ya later.

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being president of the ksba is like bragging about being the captain of the titanic.

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if everyone would just be honest and admit that all curs are cross bred. if you would do a little digging you would find that many of the omc have a little hound in them somewhere down the line. curs a few years ago did not tree nearly as hard as some do these days. i hunt treeing curs simply because i want the best of both worlds. if indeed mr robert did these things so be it. but to make your own group so you can register dogs is insane. we have the NTCA but not to register our dogs, but to help register with existing organizations.

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im glad you missed me Loyd. i do enjoy a good debate with you. i do wish you would quit drinking that kool-aid stuff! might need to send you to A.A.

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if everyone would just be honest and admit that all curs are cross bred. if you would do a little digging you would find that many of the omc have a little hound in them somewhere down the line. curs a few years ago did not tree nearly as hard as some do these days. i hunt treeing curs simply because i want the best of both worlds. if indeed mr robert did these things so be it. but to make your own group so you can register dogs is insane. we have the NTCA but not to register our dogs, but to help register with existing organizations.

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Kemmer Koolaid or Carls Concoction? Give me the Koolaid anytime. The original Mtn. Curs were good dogs until the treeing fiest, Streak, was crossed into them. Robert pulled out to keep Mtn Curs, Mtn Curs so I guess I'll do the same. Until we meet again I'll continue to pray for you @ Koolaids Anonymous. lololol
Have a good weekend, the temps are cooling off and the squirrel and coon will be movin' Keep'em looking up, Loyd.

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Everyone knows that the good Lord didn't make Mtn Curs. God created dogs and man crossed them to make Mtn. Curs. It's not a question, to me, of if Mtn Curs are cross breeds, it's a matter of do I enjoy the dogs I have now or do I want them changed. When C inserted Treeing Feist into Mtn. Curs that changed both dogs. I prefer the "pure" Mtn. Cur because they suit me the best. If I decided to try one of the others I'd simply buy a Kemmer Hybred.
Theres plenty of choices out there for all who wish to hunt Curs and mixtures thereof. Most of the folks who start these argumentative threads have been thrown out of one or more of the breed associations and have an axe to grind. Don't pay attention to them. Hunt what you want to. (As long as it's UKC registered).

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i just say to each his own. i enjoy what i hunt and therefore i hunt. omc, kemmer, treeing cur, etc. whatever suits you, hunt it. if there is any debate on whats the best, there is only one thing to do, cut'em loose and let the dogs do their thing. we don't have many hunts here so a title means nothing. i say lets just go hunting and take score by the game treed no matter what the breed. and if we going to cut them loose let me know. i got one i want to throw in the hat.

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Kemmer Koolaid or Carls Concoction? Give me the Koolaid anytime. The original Mtn. Curs were good dogs until the treeing fiest, Streak, was crossed into them. Robert pulled out to keep Mtn Curs, Mtn Curs so I guess I'll do the same. Until we meet again I'll continue to pray for you @ Koolaids Anonymous. lololol
Have a good weekend, the temps are cooling off and the squirrel and coon will be movin' Keep'em looking up, Loyd.

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i just say to each his own. i enjoy what i hunt and therefore i hunt. omc, kemmer, treeing cur, etc. whatever suits you, hunt it. if there is any debate on whats the best, there is only one thing to do, cut'em loose and let the dogs do their thing. we don't have many hunts here so a title means nothing. i say lets just go hunting and take score by the game treed no matter what the breed. and if we going to cut them loose let me know. i got one i want to throw in the hat.

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i would love to go to more hunts, but we have very very few squirrel hunts here. hunted in some pkc coon and acha and have done pretty good. but what im saying is dog against dog, not handler against handler.

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You might as well get some pits and get in the dog fighting business then, that is the only way you are going to get dog on dog. Any other way you are going to always be dealing with handler on handler. And the more prestigious or more money behind it the worse it is.

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how right you are. i hunted hounds in the hunts for about 15yrs. made some grand nites along the way and some good friends. i just enjoy hunting these days. i grew up i NC and hunting is different there than i South GA. i have a few decent dogs and im happy. im all about the ability of the dog now.

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If Robert was so upset about Streak why did he and Ira Kirby breed Goldie to Streak ? This litter was known as the Cross of the 90's and made some great tree dogs. The reason Robert left was that he didn't want the litter fee increased from one fee to each pup fee. And of course there was some other minor problems but that was the big one ,not Streak. I find it very amusing that the ones that want to do most of the Streak bashing have only rumors and gossip to repeat as most of them have never been to any meetings or hunts. And then they want to act like they know what Robert thought and said even though they prob haven't even met the man, more second hand rumors. And before you ask ,yes I was there when Robert left, I don't go by rumors.

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Everyone knows that the good Lord didn't make Mtn Curs. God created dogs and man crossed them to make Mtn. Curs. It's not a question, to me, of if Mtn Curs are cross breeds, it's a matter of do I enjoy the dogs I have now or do I want them changed. When C inserted Treeing Feist into Mtn. Curs that changed both dogs. I prefer the "pure" Mtn. Cur because they suit me the best. If I decided to try one of the others I'd simply buy a Kemmer Hybred.
Theres plenty of choices out there for all who wish to hunt Curs and mixtures thereof. Most of the folks who start these argumentative threads have been thrown out of one or more of the breed associations and have an axe to grind. Don't pay attention to them. Hunt what you want to. (As long as it's UKC registered).

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Loyd if that is really it and Robert really wanted to preserve the mountain cur then tell me how this 100% kemmer cur here kept it's papers. robert was made aware of it's presence and did nothing at all about it. Could it be he was greedy and only cares about the money? Could it be that it had been done many times before and was no big deal? You tell me, you appear to have the NOSE for it.

There has to be some logical explanation why this dog was allowed to be registered at a 100% kemmer.

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hmmmm, im not getting into this one.

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Loyd if that is really it and Robert really wanted to preserve the mountain cur then tell me how this 100% kemmer cur here kept it's papers. robert was made aware of it's presence and did nothing at all about it. Could it be he was greedy and only cares about the money? Could it be that it had been done many times before and was no big deal? You tell me, you appear to have the NOSE for it.

There has to be some logical explanation why this dog was allowed to be registered at a 100% kemmer.

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Tim I like the way you major in the minors and minor in the majors! This little episode was back in 2005 and has been dealt with as has been a lot of other issues! There will always be some folks that try to destroy a breed of dog for whatever reasons!! You should know that very well! That is why I appreciate folks trying to preserve a particular breed of dogs, including you even though we are at odds on other issues. I have seen a lot of things first hand in the cur dog world, more specifically the mtn cur world. I am where I am at today because I know that the DEDICATED breeders are preserving a line of dogs that our founders thought worthy of saving and the Kemmer Stock Mtn Curs do not take a back seat to any other breed of cur dogs so why change.

The KABA is doing well and more determined than ever to preserve the 100% foundaion stock of dog that Robert Kemmer developed.

I appreciate your concerns but rest assure that the KSBA in on track and our directional compass is set for the task at hand of preserving these Kemmer dogs.

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Tim I like the way you major in the minors and minor in the majors! This little episode was back in 2005 and has been dealt with as has been a lot of other issues! There will always be some folks that try to destroy a breed of dog for whatever reasons!! You should know that very well! That is why I appreciate folks trying to preserve a particular breed of dogs, including you even though we are at odds on other issues. I have seen a lot of things first hand in the cur dog world, more specifically the mtn cur world. I am where I am at today because I know that the DEDICATED breeders are preserving a line of dogs that our founders thought worthy of saving and the Kemmer Stock Mtn Curs do not take a back seat to any other breed of cur dogs so why change.

The KABA is doing well and more determined than ever to preserve the 100% foundaion stock of dog that Robert Kemmer developed.

I appreciate your concerns but rest assure that the KSBA in on track and our directional compass is set for the task at hand of preserving these Kemmer dogs.

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True a few are still breeding a good Kemmer dog, but there are fewer good dogs out there. Unfortunately the KSBA is in decline.



I stay out of these arguments anymore, but I can tell you for a fact, there are alot more than a few still breeding good Kemmer curs. If you think there are fewer good Kemmer dogs out there, you aren't looking very hard, and if you honestly think the KSBA is in decline, you haven't been to the last 4-5 hunts, and see the members from all over the USA.

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True a few are still breeding a good Kemmer dog, but there are fewer good dogs out there. Unfortunately the KSBA is in decline.



I stay out of these arguments anymore, but I can tell you for a fact, there are alot more than a few still breeding good Kemmer curs. If you think there are fewer good Kemmer dogs out there, you aren't looking very hard, and if you honestly think the KSBA is in decline, you haven't been to the last 4-5 hunts, and see the members from all over the USA.

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Tim I like the way you major in the minors and minor in the majors! This little episode was back in 2005 and has been dealt with as has been a lot of other issues! There will always be some folks that try to destroy a breed of dog for whatever reasons!! You should know that very well! That is why I appreciate folks trying to preserve a particular breed of dogs, including you even though we are at odds on other issues. I have seen a lot of things first hand in the cur dog world, more specifically the mtn cur world. I am where I am at today because I know that the DEDICATED breeders are preserving a line of dogs that our founders thought worthy of saving and the Kemmer Stock Mtn Curs do not take a back seat to any other breed of cur dogs so why change.

The KABA is doing well and more determined than ever to preserve the 100% foundaion stock of dog that Robert Kemmer developed.

I appreciate your concerns but rest assure that the KSBA in on track and our directional compass is set for the task at hand of preserving these Kemmer dogs.

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You are very correct there are plenty of people breeding Keemer Curs. The thing is the finished dogs aren't what they were 25 yrs ago.

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What were the finished dogs like for you 20-25 years ago?

I'll be honest I haven't hunted with any kemmers in close to or over 15 years, but I hear of more kemmers being hunted now than they were back 20+ years ago. It was hard for us to find a good finished out kemmer dog back then.

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How finished does it take for a chain to fit on their neck? LOL

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