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z sinnwell
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Of all the cast I've been on since 1974 I've only been beaten by a "ME-TO'er" once. And would not have been beaten by him if he had not been ill and light broke.

I am against the count-down tree points. If my dog does not get 1st tree and there are no other dogs at the tree I will wait until the last to claim second tree. This is to give your dog a chance to leave; and it won't be because my dog forced it to leave. I quit hunting a dog if it causes trouble at the tree.

Breed Reps for the rules committee are usually picked from the officers and board members and most are avid competitors.



So on your situation above where you wait until the last second to tree, you are applying even more pressure on a dog to stay treed (which it should), but you are giving your dog every opportunity to leave without penalty for 4:55 seconds. And you feel that your dog, that essentially only has to stay treed until the cast gets there, should receive 75 points because it stayed there while you were walking in?

It appears that if this is the reason you are a supporter of non-declining tree points- than you like the rules as they are so you can play a game and try to win by others taking minus instead of trying to win with a better hound. The supporters of declining tree are trying to reward the dog that actually treed the coon and not one that came in late.

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I am against the count-down tree points. If my dog does not get 1st tree and there are no other dogs at the tree I will wait until the last to claim second tree. This is to give your dog a chance to leave; and it won't be because my dog forced it to leave. I quit hunting a dog if it causes trouble at the tree.

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I think the rules are just fine the way they are all people want to do is complain and most of them don't even hunt in the hunts

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If you don't like the rules go somewhere else you know I love coon hunting but some people take it way too serious it's just coon hunting

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If you don't like the rules go somewhere else you know I love coon hunting but some people take it way too serious it's just coon hunting


Everyone on this board loves coonhunting, or they wouldn't be on it. People are just questioning some of the rules and trying to develop a better system to score a dog's ability to tree raccoons. Nothing wrong with that at all.

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I think the rules are just fine the way they are all people want to do is complain and most of them don't even hunt in the hunts
Yea, leave them rules alone. Always wanting to change the playing rules and complain about something. To be sure them Super $$$ All Grand title dogs can win their share when hunting with them ole fashioned pleasure dogs of yesteryear cover them. That must be why some of these dogs of yesteryear are resurfacing nowdays. Lol. Show me the Monai!

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One thing I have noticed over the last decade is everyone looks at a dogs ability differently. Some accept a slow and steady track dog, some do not. Some want dead loners that run a mile. I hunt 2 kennel clubs, both very different rules but I know when I sign up I'm agreeing to follow those rules no matter if I agree with them or not.

Personally, I can't ever accept a dog I'm toting around taking 2nd trees be it 30 seconds or 4 minutes into the tree. I will have words with the dog and if it's track speed doesn't improve without sacrificing accuracy then I will go to the next dog.

We all know that in UKC a dog has 4 minutes and 59 seconds to be guaranteed that 75. I hate to see this type of dog win in any kennel club but I have seen and even done it many many times. I once apologized to a guy in a cast several years ago because his dog had treed 3 coon and mine backed his on all 3 and backed another on 2. It was embarrassing for me but by the rules I was the winner. I guess the ? is can you live with that style. I can't and won't.

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A countdown is a good example of people getting excited over a possible rule change that has no drawbacks at all. One post talks about how much easier the titles will be to earn, here is a rule change that will make winning a little tougher for me to, slow covering, piggyback type hounds. Whats the downside??

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As long as their is 2ed,3rd,4th tree , we'll have subpar dogs winning casts/hunts.
Eliminate those 3 positions or at least 2ed,&3rd and they won't stand a chance .

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As long as their is 2ed,3rd,4th tree , we'll have subpar dogs winning casts/hunts.
Eliminate those 3 positions or at least 2ed,&3rd and they won't stand a chance .

we are all just 2nd looser to the world champion. That makes all grand nite champions sub par. Maybe we should call them participation titles. Lol

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Pam , how dare you cloud the issue with facts , LOL.

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Gaining a "participation title" are on the horizon starting 2019.. just win your cast
that will be good enuff!

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As long as their is 2ed,3rd,4th tree , we'll have subpar dogs winning casts/hunts.
Eliminate those 3 positions or at least 2ed,&3rd and they won't stand a chance .

Yea, and while their at it, eliminate any strike points after first strike and they won't stand a chance.

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Gaining a "participation title" are on the horizon starting 2019.. just win your cast
that will be good enuff!

Thats how its been around here for awhile. 1-2 reg cast and seldom more than a cast of Nite Champs..

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Here's how you handle the barking backpacker that runs over late to help your dog keep his coon in the tree.. you minus it for quitting it's track ,.. If it's barking over yonder then runs way over to help yours at the tree it clearly quit it's track.. minus

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Here's how you handle the barking backpacker that runs over late to help your dog keep his coon in the tree.. you minus it for quitting it's track ,.. If it's barking over yonder then runs way over to help yours at the tree it clearly quit it's track.. minus


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A countdown is a good example of people getting excited over a possible rule change that has no drawbacks at all. One post talks about how much easier the titles will be to earn, here is a rule change that will make winning a little tougher for me to, slow covering, piggyback type hounds. Whats the downside??


The downside is the rule promotes independence. Independence requires more land to hunt while hunting land is shrinking in most areas. If we keep going on this path casts will be 1 turnout and done, the 1 hour hunts are getting close to that now.

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The only people that don't want a progressive tree are the fellas hunting backpacking me too type dogs....

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The only people that don't want a progressive tree are the fellas hunting backpacking me too type dogs....


Some of are voting we do not care either way drop it 3 minutes , drop it down to 2 stationary rule to 1 , heck just hunt all the dogs by themselves at every hunt.

100 - 1 dog casts at the world hunt.

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Some of are voting we do not care either way drop it 3 minutes , drop it down to 2 stationary rule to 1 , heck just hunt all the dogs by themselves at every hunt.

100 - 1 dog casts at the world hunt.

Heck yeah,that'll work. Weed out the champions that won't hunt or tree coons by themselves. The ones that can get that title quicker and theres no need for strike or tree Countdown points , just coon seen,more cast wins for dogs

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Isn't this called the second round of the world hunt?

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How many get beat consistently by me tooers?

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How many get beat consistently by me tooers?


9nly way I win. 75 all night long

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by yadkinriver
[B]Isn't this called the second round of the world hunt? It is. Leave them rules alone!

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Hey we had a great hunt at the OK State hunt in Miami last night despite the rain. 45 dogs Friday night 35 Saturday night. Not super but not bad considering the weather. Since a lot of us tend to be anti-establishment in the political arena and we tend to dislike and distrust establishment politicians because they are the disease masquerading as the cure. We just need to be careful and not fall into the same trap about a sport we all love and enjoy no matter the KC we hunt or if we are pleasure hunters who just have sorry old varmint dogs. We do not need to be the disease that masquerades as the cure for low hunt numbers. JMHO and S/FI!

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