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Oh my goodness, 2 dogs only treed 2 coons each while the 3rd dog was fast enough to get under all 4 coons? It sounds to me like the first 2 dogs were either awfully slow or that 323rd dog was awfully fast. It sounds like the 3rd dog was a pretty nice hound.

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Regardless. He was the best dog that night.

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If you want that type of dog more power to ya. That’s why there’s so much junk floating around. Enjoy your me too sh@t

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My idea would still to keep UKC unique from other kennel clubs. UKC is taking an approach to give something to everyone and that is good business hence the reason for the new double headers, small $ hunts and rumored larger $ hunts. You can take $50 dollars of money put a little gas in the truck and pay an entry win a yellow slip or now a chance to win that entry back - good business to give both types of hunters the opportunity.
Countdown is a great idea and but should still be unique. The format for the Super Slams has been very popular with the hunters. First tree is worth 125 like always, unlike others where strike and tree are if equal value. Dogs may cover on trees up to 2 minutes with regular 75, 50 and 25. After 2 minutes any who tree get 25. This format rewards the dog that treed the coon, still allows for a pack mentality up to a point but doesn't allow the super slow track dog or the me-too dog to receive more tree points than deserved. It's easy to follow and doesn't require any extra stop watch work, judges are already watching for 5 min to expire. The rule has already been tested for 2 years with a huge amount of support from hunters and includes many who do not typically hunt for $s so it would work well across the board for all hunts.

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This is why I don’t internet hunt🤦‍♂️

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Regardless. He was the best dog that night.

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Handling had nothing to do with it. When you have the chance to cover 8 coon and you’re a me too pos you can win. Common sense should tell you that.

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Handling had nothing to do with it. When you have the chance to cover 8 coon and you’re a me too pos you can win. Common sense should tell you that.

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I had one treed again deep at the end that would have gave me the cast but this dog covered from nowhere at 4 some minutes. Berger how do I prevent that? 🙄

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I believe I had 825 and he got part of my last coon and beat me by 50. The dog was not under all coons but he went back and forth covering my dog and another dog. To make it clear

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I had one treed again deep at the end that would have gave me the cast but this dog covered from nowhere at 4 some minutes. Berger how do I prevent that? 🙄

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Why? So the dog could have covered mine a minute sooner? 🤷🏼‍♂️

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if a hound I'm hunting is gonna cover another, in which I'm not a fan of, it better be before 2 minutes is up or it wont eat my feed ,but that's just me, i like a countdown heck for that
matter if any dog cant cover within 2 minutes it probably don't need to be there to begin with

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Nope, just was able to munipulate a flawed point system and follow dogs doing the work close enough to win. I once titled a gyp that COULD NOT, WOULD NOT tree a coon alone.

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If you don't have one that'll cover around here in certain areas, you're already beat. Theres 1 coon per bucket and they better be ready to scrap to cover.

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Don’t take this wrong because I understand what your point is, but if so many people are just breeding dogs to be winners and not coondogs why aren’t people breeding dogs to be like the dog you described? After all it’s all about winning? From the response on here it sounds like it happens often. If it does happen often I would think a lot of this type of dog would win most events and folks would breed for it. I understand your frustration with it and I have been beat by one that covers often but they usually have to tree a extra coon to do it and some times it happens. I hate that this got ugly , I was just looking for insight.

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Sonny you ever heard one of the old folks say ( it ain't how much money you make its how much you save ) I think the problem with today's hounds are they got them bred so high strung to where they are unpredictable. Watch the play by plays they will be beating the brakes off everything. Then make a stupid mistake that opens the door for let's say a back packer to beat them. Less mistakes equals more wins. This is from watching the dogs competing on the highest levels.



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With all the questionable things that goes on in the nite hunts we read about on here, here's something else that might happen with a count down rule. Those leafy trees that are always circled when they probably should have been minus, will be minus now, because the three people only getting 25 points each will break it off in the dog holding 125 and there's nothing you can do about that with a non-hunting judge even if you are carrying the score card. Say what you want, people look for any way or reason to minus or scratch somebody and this will be just another one of those reasons.

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Gosh I just don't know where y'all are hunting that all this cheating is going on but let me know I don't want to go there. I live 30 miles from c**c head quarters hunted in a lot of their hunts. They are pretty much what we are talking about here. Get you some of their rules get you 4 of your buddies and try it just for fun or the slam rules I think you will like them I do. Most that are scared of them have never hunted under them. I took a last strike dog and a first tree dog with a coon and won 10 out of 12 cast in 60 days about $1,100.



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Mr Allen, I guess that's reason I've never minded being a small timer. We can take our dogs to 8 different clubs, hunting both KC's, all of them withing an hour or so. And week in and week out, you are hunting against guys and gals you have drawn many times before. You know them, they know us and everyone is considered a friend. There will be disagreements and the occasional cast vote but things are always settled in the woods and getting it broke off in you is a rare thing that dont never get repeated.
Now you drive 2 states away to hunt those big hunts where you draw people you never seen before, you dont know them, they dont know you, I can see it might he a different world. But being small time, we just read about it. Thank God for that.

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Oh my goodness, I just wish that I lived where you can score on 8 coons in a 2 hr hunt.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by yadkintar
[B]Sonny you ever heard one of the old folks say ( it ain't how much money you make its how much you save ) I think the problem with today's hounds are they got them bred so high strung to where they are unpredictable. Watch the play by plays they will be beating the brakes off everything. Then make a stupid mistake that opens the door for let's say a back packer to beat them. Less mistakes equals more wins. This is from watching the dogs competing on the highest levels.



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Now that you mention it, about every time I got beat by the me too dog, mine messed up and left him/ her (or I miss called) within striking distance.

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Fellows I'm not saying cheating happens everywhere, but it does happen. When someone asks a question on here about something that happened to them on a nite hunt where the rules from another kc was used in a UKC hunt or a rule was twisted to the benefit of the judge carrying the score card when new or young hunters are on the cast, that could be called cheating. You see it on here and the response is "they should know the rules before entering a hunt" or " they paid good money to learn a lesson". It happens in small hunts as well as the larger hunts and you can say what you want to about how everybody you hunt with sleeps at the foot of the cross when it comes to there being honest in nite hunts including some of you, but I beg to differ.

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I watched a blue gyp win the TX state hunt one night and she never treed a coon. She drew 2 coondogs on a 3 dog cast. It worked out for her to run back and forth between the 2 getting 75 on 7 coon that with her strike points gave her 975. The gyp that treed 4 lost the cast with 950. That's the reason for a count down.

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