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bphart8530
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Pup wont tree--Suggestions?

I have an almost 9 month old pup. She has been running track for over two months, but she won't tree. She moves around the woods great, runs tracks and then is on to the next one. It's not uncommon to follow her track on the garmin and find a coon looking down. She is often too deep to keep up with, so we haven't tried to chase her around the woods. She has no interest in being with the older dogs, so a pup trainer does us no good. We have tried a few turn loose coons and its the same thing. She barks at them, chases them up a tree and then loses interest.

If it matters, she is Buck Creek on the top and a little of everything on the bottom including Hardwood Elvis Attack and Sackett JR.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Just keep hunting her her switch will flip. We have a English male pup that done the same thing this kill season. Started running track at six months old never even looked up a tree until he was ten months old. Treed ever since. You can’t make them tree just keep her in the woods.

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A few of the buck Creek dogs will track before they tree.

I do turn out s , by themselves

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One of my breeding criteria is if a hound hadn't started treeing by the 12th month, it is not breeding material.

Give your pup time. I have seen several top stay put tree dogs that start treeing until closer to their first birthday.

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Put her up for a while.

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Had the same—-

Bought a 8 week old pup out of GR NITE parents. Outstanding parents and the sire was what I really wanted to ad in this line. Famous outstanding hounds in this breed.

Fought good and tracked great BUT would not tree or look up. Could hang a coon 4 feet of the ground and he would just lay down like it wasn’t there

Give him WAY TO MUCH TIME, 2 seasons in fact. Face it, they all don’t have it and the feed cost the same for those that do.

As Mr Roy once said, you can teach them sometimes but it’s a lot better if it comes natural.

From what you say and at that age, I would move on.

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Track bred dogs will tree when they figure the bad tracks out. The dog will probably b accurate. Don't fall in w the slick tree crowd. If i have a pup that trees before it tracks I would b disappointed. They all like a big jug headed tree monster that why they have been getting their butts kicked for last 20 years

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I have one did the same thing exactly, loved to track but would not tree n was to far away to get to in time ,about the time he was 1 to 1.5 he started to tree on his own is accurate and is independent witch it sounds like she is to

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Keep it tied back at a couple trees, don't let it have any fur, but watch other dogs be rewarded with the fur. After a couple times of that it should start to tree

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tie her up close to the tree . get down on all 4s and bark like a dog . rare up on the tree beside her and bark and show her how it is done .pet her and pat on the tree . if that dont work grab her by her ears and rub her nose on the tree . swing her around and round by the ears and slam her to the ground .lol tie her back up and get down on all 4s and repeat process . had a buddy with a blue tick and saw him do this for a couple months . ole blue made a pretty good tree dog on the third month .lol (true story).lol seriously at 9 months old i would just hunt her on the good nights every now and then . i have found the ones who are a little slow to start treeing dont miss as much .those 6 moth old tree monsters that do a lot of slick treeing all their life . good luck .

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I agree with the guy that says tie her back and let her see the other dogs get rewarded

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Update

Dog located, treed, and stayed for the first time last night. Almost 13 months old. I would like to tell you guys everything I did to “train her.”
•only hunted her alone, except for a couple times
•tone broke her. Everytime she quit a track I toned her back to the last place she had barked.
•based off of her track on my garmin, and occasionally finding the coon, I tied her back to a tree where the track ended. That broke the habit of her going on, but didn’t make her tree. .
•trained her to bark everytime she got tied back. I did this by tying her back, and walking away til she barked. Everytime she barked I would walk closer than pet her.
•the hope was for her to be tied back and smell some of those tracks going up the tree. Then relate the barking on the leash to the track going up.
•eventually, she started smelling up those trees and barking on her own after I tied her back.. I would then untie her but make her stay at the tree and “tree” while I pet her. So she learned to bark with no leash on.
... It took about 25 of these kind of trees. Not killing very many coon at all. Some may think all of what I did was extreme. Or that there was a better method. I personally do not think there would be a better method. This is my first coon hound i have bought to train. No ones training techniques made a whole lot of sense so I made up my own. Lol. And to be honest, I don’t think just putting her in the woods with older dogs over and over again was going to help her. Just wanted to give you an update

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Congratulations, excellent job for your first time training attempt. Every dog is different, different things work for different dogs, it's up to the trainer to figure what works with each dog. You may be one if the best trainers ever, just remember to be flexible with different dogs. Happy hunting. Dave

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Great job. You put in the time and did the work and got results. You can be proud of yourself.

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You are not going to make her tree until and if she is ready , my advice and I have seen multiple that as soon as they went thru there first heat cycle they went to treeing like they been doing it all there life's I have one in heat rite now , Imo you can try all this and that but she isn't going to tree until she is ready and you know when she does it on her own she will stick

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I don't think I could ever trust a dog that had been trained to tree, at least not enough to put money up for entry fees. Pleasure hunting only, maybe. It's no money out of my pocket if they walk off a tree while pleasure hunting.

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You are not going to make her tree until and if she is ready , my advice and I have seen multiple that as soon as they went thru there first heat cycle they went to treeing like they been doing it all there life's I have one in heat rite now , Imo you can try all this and that but she isn't going to tree until she is ready and you know when she does it on her own she will stick


And then some just never do.

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Thats patience and persistance to work that hard to teach a dog something that should come natural. Regardless of the type hound she makes you should get her spayed asap..

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Re: Update

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Dog located, treed, and stayed for the first time last night. Almost 13 months old. I would like to tell you guys everything I did to “train her.”



You did exactly what most can't and won't...which is think like a dog and have plenty of patience...and ignore 80% of the "advice" on this forum. And from here on out, I'll wager to say you'll see nearly every single coon she trees whereas these puffed up 140bpm tree dogs will provide the opposite.

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Re: Re: Update

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You did exactly what most can't and won't...which is think like a dog and have plenty of patience...and ignore 80% of the "advice" on this forum. And from here on out, I'll wager to say you'll see nearly every single coon she trees whereas these puffed up 140bpm tree dogs will provide the opposite.
Ditto

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And then some just never do.
exactly no guarantees I had a bitch off cyclone that up until 10 month old I knew she was special that forst fall she got to where she liked catching them and made very few trees after , shame to but if they do on there own you have something if not like you said you are always wondering

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I had one like this at about the same age. Ran track like a banshee, wide open, barked non stop. He nose was a little ahead of her brain and I was getting frustrated.

I took a coon in a cage and cut it out about 20 yards in front of her in a field, when it was about 10 yards from the woodline I cut her and it climbed up about 2 inches in front of her nose. She treed like she had done it her whole life, I shot it, and that dog is still tied up in my yard at over 10 years old. It treed coons forever.

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Thats patience and persistance to work that hard to teach a dog something that should come natural. Regardless of the type hound she makes you should get her spayed asap..
ability has nothing to do with a dog in what kind of offspring it produces . i have saw the most outstanding hound in a litter produce nothing but culls while its litter mate not worth killing threw outstanding offspring . lol .

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You're welcome to hunt pups out of all the dogs not worth killing you want, as for myself & everyone I've ever known we'll probably just keep buying pups and breeding for desirable traits. It dont always work, but I believe the odds are a lil better lol..

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Congratulations on training your pup. Regardless if your pup is a world beater or just an average dog. You sir did a fine job of training your pup. It is nice to see you update this thread and let others know how things turned out.

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