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I gave you all I got !


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Well I am only raising one more litter of pups if I make it through that one no more. It’s kinda like going rabbit hunting with jimmy he has 8 good beagles he loads them , he feeds them , he cleans their pens , I just go and listen to them and go home I am getting used to that lol.


Thyroid beagles hmmmmm run a rabbit backwards how would you know !!


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Thanks.
Let’s say you are rite and it started with Clint and Bozo (that’s what you said) now that was a long time ago, over 30 years and you did nothing to fix it shame on you.

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Don’t have or will I own a dog that needs thyroid pills.
If you guys know for a fact this is going on and you know who they are Do The Rite Thing and let us All know?

If your dog, let’s say 2 years from now he needs thyroid pill for what ever reason, I pray that never happens but if it does are you gonna buy every pup back and take them out of the breeding chain? If not you could be one of the breeders you are taking about in 15/20 years.

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Don't think either of you guys had any control over someone else's breeding program and neither of you are to blame or responsible to fix anything. Thyroid problems are just that, manmade or heritary, but should not undisclosed to an innocent buyer. Don't breed known carriers and don't sell known thyroid dogs to unsuspecting buyers. Genetic issues can be eliminated if one does not breed those carrying these genetic problems. Some genetic problems can only be passed from mother to son or father to daughter, so it's important to look at several generations in order to eliminate these traits or genetic faults. Dave

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Good policy, unfounded rumors are best left alone. I like your style, base your opinions on your own dealing with someone and not on what someone else has said. Paul Harvey always said now for the rest of the story for a reason, there is usually 2 sides. Lol. Dave

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I wasn’t a breeder I was the pooper scooper and the gopher !

Why didn’t you fix it ?


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I was a NTCH judge one night and a Black and Tan by the name of sun valley butch had a little walker dogs whole head in his mouth the little dogs feet were off the ground and butch was still treeing every breath. I scratched him and his handler got mad. The handler of the little walker dog said never mind judge if you let me get my dogs head out of butches mouth I will withdraw butch is impressive lol.


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All of the dogs I have ever known to be thyroid dependent dogs in my area were Yadkin River stock, bred by Kyle Chase of Kingsport, Tenn. Kyle raised Yadkin River Jeff just so you know who I am talking about, Jeff is prominent in the Rattler line pedigree. I don't remember the pedigree of the Tom dog I owned that was a thyroid dog, but so am sure Kyle would. This information is well known in my area and can be proven by a local vet who treated a lot of Kyle's dogs. Dave

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I will give you one more on this one. I know this is true for a fact because I consider Kyle a good friend and one of the few people that I would buy a dog from without seeing it go based on what he told me about it.

He told me himself all of his dogs were thyroid dogs and it was genetic but he had good luck with them treeing coons and he stayed with that line. To my knowledge he never tried to make it a secret and he never overdosed his dogs to gain an advantage. He just happened to have thyroid problems in his dogs.

The man had coondogs that anybody would be proud to lead.

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I agree, Kyle is a good guy and NO he never hid the fact on his line of dogs being thyroid dependent, it was very common knowledge. Dave

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I saw on one of these posts where all of the big winners at a recent world hunt were thyroid dogs. If thyroid dogs are winning all of the money, I don't see why everyone doesn't want a thyroid dog. It is no wonder there are so many of them. You would think that breeders would be boasting that their dogs were thyroid dogs.

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Tar you spoke about Kyle many times on the phone but never a word about this Humm, how much Bozo or Clint was in the yadkin River line? Was it a sissy pill or thyroid pill that made them coon dogs that anyone would be proud to own!

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Tar you spoke about Kyle many times on the phone but never a word about this Humm, how much Bozo or Clint was in the yadkin River line? Was it a sissy pill or thyroid pill that made them coon dogs that anyone would be proud to own!

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Dave Richards I think part of Kyles problem with the thyroid isssue were related to how he bred those dogs. He linebred or inbred too tight so that intensified the trait.

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I saw on one of these posts where all of the big winners at a recent world hunt were thyroid dogs. If thyroid dogs are winning all of the money, I don't see why everyone doesn't want a thyroid dog. It is no wonder there are so many of them. You would think that breeders would be boasting that their dogs were thyroid dogs.

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I saw on one of these posts where all of the big winners at a recent world hunt were thyroid dogs. If thyroid dogs are winning all of the money, I don't see why everyone doesn't want a thyroid dog. It is no wonder there are so many of them. You would think that breeders would be boasting that their dogs were thyroid dogs.

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No, I guess that is why they aren't big winners. I guess that I need to find a Redbone thyroid dog and start breeding it into mine.

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How about you start your present redbone on thyroid meds? Ain't that how it's done?

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That is what Tarbaby says but what most are talking about on here are dogs with a genetic predisposition to thyroid disease. A dog with a "damaged" thyroid gland does not pass this on to it's offspring. (No matter how many times Tarbaby says they do)
And I have not seen/read anything that convinces me that giving a dog that has a normal thyroid level Synthroid will help them that much unless they are lazy or lacking in energy. I have a hard enough time keeping up with mine as it is.

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I don’t want mine going no farther no faster. If I wanted to hunt a mile over there I would have turned loose over there.


They got anything makes them close and alone ?



Depends on what damages it Richard the doctor told you on here turn up your hearing aids.


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Thyroid beagles hmmmmm run a rabbit backwards how would you know !!


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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3219766/

Read this thyroid study. Although it pertains to humans I would have to believe it would somewhat also pertain to dogs .
It is pretty scientific in speech but still can be comprehended by a layman.
Pay particular attention to individual ranges ,hereditary influences, genes, auto immune disease ,and finally the summary of the findings in this study.

A few excerpts:

autoimmune thyroid disease commonly runs in families, and the search for genes which increase susceptibility has identified several good candidates, particularly those involved in immune regulation and thyroid function. However, these genes alone account for only a small percentage of the current prevalence of these disorders.

It has been recognized for some time that circulating TSH, free thyroxine (free T4) and free tri-iodothyronine (free T3) concentrations in euthyroid individuals have a much greater inter-individual than intra-individual variation. As a result, although the population reference ranges for these parameters are wide, each individual appears to have their own set point within this. At what point an individual started within the range is very important when one is trying to determine if an alteration in thyroid function has resulted in a clinical problem.Findings suggest that individual thyroid function set points are mainly genetically derived, however, the genes responsible have until recently not been known.

Improved technology in genetic investigations have already provided us with a wealth of information on the genetic basis for ‘normal’ thyroid function, autoimmune thyroid disease and the influence of thyroid genes on clinical phenotypes. Early optimistic expectations that all genes responsible would be rapidly discovered have had to be reined in, and researchers across many fields are searching for the reasons this has not happened.

Here is another on the Hyper type.This whole site has a lot of good info instead of all the mis-imformation being tossed.

https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/h...hyperthyroidism

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While I got it up here is another study on Environmental influences on the Thyroid.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...PMC2935336/#B32
A few excerpts:

The common model of the onset of autoimmune thyroid disease involves an underlying genetic predisposition and a trigger(s) that initiate the cascade of events and sustain the process, culminating in thyroid hypofunction or hyperfunction.
The environmental factors most closely associated with susceptibility to autoimmune thyroid disease include radiation, iodine intake (OOPS THERE IT IS AGAIN ), and environmental toxicants

Excess iodine, however, can also have adverse effects depending on underlying thyroid function, as well as the extent and duration of iodine excess .The acute response to increased iodine intake with a normal underlying thyroid is reduced thyroid hormone production and release, the Wolff–Chaikoff effect. In most individuals with normal thyroids, there is an escape from this effect after 5–7 days. Those with underlying thyroid dysfunction, however, may be unable to escape from this effect and have persistent hypothyroidism. (This may explain why some of you say ..well gee I am using the same feed and I am having no problems)Patients with multinodular goiter and associated areas of autonomous, TSH-independent, thyroid hormone production can have excess thyroid hormone production in response to iodine, the Jod–Basedow effect.
In response to iodine supplementation in areas of iodine deficiency, there is an increase in thyroid autoantibodies and in some cases autoimmune thyroid disease.
Excess iodine, however, is associated with adverse effects, especially in those with underlying multinodular goiter or with thyroid autoantibodies.

Soy protein and soybean isoflavones have been associated with reduced T4 absorption, interference with thyroid hormone action and, in a few studies, increased thyroid autoimmune disease.(CHECK YOUR DOG FOOD INGREDIENTS)

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IT SEEMS THAT EVERYTIME A BREED OR LINE OF DOGS GET POPULAR IT EVENTUALLY LEADS TO ITS RUINATION BY UNINFORMED PEOPLE BREEDING WITHOUT DOING THEIR RESEARCH FIRST.

Gone but never forgotten:
NtChGrCh Dryfork Punkin
NtChGrCh Dryfork Little Blue Baby Doll
2009 Pa Show Dog Of The Year
GrCh Dryfork Little Black Book
Gr.Ch. Make My Day Sunny
Gone too soon RIP my baby girl
Gr.Ch. Black Dog Black Cherry
GrCh Dryfork Black Dog Raine
One of kind and would make a believer out of you when you thought there were no coon left
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CH. Power Pack Pepper
2018 Pa. Show Dog Of Year
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Good post, I expect most of us take this thyroid problem serious and appreciate this kind of information. However, those messing with thyroid meds just to juice their dogs don't care about facts or their dogs health. They are only interested in getting an advantage any way they can. Dave

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