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Originally posted by V. Cannon
Kelley, I didn't say he was a sorry dog. I wrote that some of his pups had problems.

Rank and Lipper was a lot alike in at least a couple ways, both having bawl mouth and being male walkers.

Ranks sisters wasn't typical Lipper females, they produced far better pups than average.

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I spent an entire kill season following my sons lipper dog and this is what I saw. Huge mouth, excellent kill dog, ran to catch, easy to call treed, hard hunter, wide hunter not a line hunter, slicked once in an entire season, tough dog. Maybe too tough for some and that may be why some don't care for them. Not the hardest tree dog, but would stay till you got there no matter what. Not much about the hunting I didn't like,it was kennel manners I didn't care for. Had a nose like a good blue dog and knew how to use it. I've hunted with walkers outa other big name studs..............I've shot better.

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One more thing, this dog did what I saw after he had heartworms and lyme disease. He had grit.

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Here we go again. He was what he was, no changing that. Some hated him, some loved him. There are not many men that have had as many Lipper dogs as I have, and I liked most of them. However, the pile of bones in the bottoms behind my place that were once Lipper dog culls is still bigger than any of the other stud dog cull piles. This subject has been beat to death over the years. I will say this again, you had to make sure that when you backed a bitch up to Lipper that she was an outstanding, stay put treedog. Just because she had the right kind of plumbing and was turning oxygen into CO2 did not mean you would get a litter of world champions. Guess what, it is the same today. That's why we have so many sorry Walker hounds around today. There are no shortcuts. No one seems to want to do their homework.

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that lipper and stylish beck cross has been awesome so has liquid smoke females and strong lipper females have turned out great i have a full sister to beck the is nitech i am going to breed to lipper soon

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EXACTLY!! Give me a dog that is heavy Lipper Bred and 8 times out of 10 he will make a decent coondog. I will take some old,thick ,heavy Lipper bred dog over any of these new "fad" dogs throwing fighting machines and mouthy mutts making up tracks until they finally find a coon any day of the week.

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The way I see it, your dog is more a Lipper dog than a Rat dog and probably better off for it. You can knock Lipper for all his faults, and He had them, tell me more about breeding Coon Dog to Coon Dog to get your next great hound, what Lipper did was Reproduce "Reproducer's" , same as RANK, he reproduced "Reproducer's", I have NEVER in the past 30 + years of tracking hounds seen a hound like Rank as far as his Reproducing Daughters who have Reproduced more Outstanding Reproducing Studs. So what is that, but Lipper Grand Son being a Great reproducers, The same as what gets me is people always repeating the old "I'll hunt with your bitch and if she is a Coon Dog, I'll beed her to my stud". The Best reproducing female dogs I've ever known had shown at a young age to be a Outstanding well breed young hound & then put on the back pen for breeding stock to never be hunted again. And they Reproduced Coon dogs, from just a 2 - 4 year old "PR" dog that has never been put in a hunt & probably can't "Today" tree a coon, here comes a litter of Nite Ch, & Gr, Nite Ch. ; Don't get me wrong now I know that alot of Great Reproducing Females, Pearl, Fern, Abby, Dixy Were Coon Dogs, and they were hunted up all the way through, but hunted or not, breed to the same studs, they would still reproduce the same hounds as if they would if never hunted at all.

Acording to "X" & "Y", your Buddy Dog getts alittle more from Mom'a, As daughters of Rank get alittle more from daddy, so to me, Buddy is more a Lipper Dog than a Rat, Jr. Dog.

Conrad, That Roster dog is about as good looking hound as Ive ever seen, can you post a 3 gen on him?

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Along the lines of what you are talking about as far as reproducing females. From what I have heard, Buddy's dam, NTCH Sasha's Natural Bell was just an ok dog. I dont think that she was even hunted that much. I know that she was bred to Sackett, Jr. once. I dont know the results of that cross, but Bell was bred to Rat three times. Those three litters produced 13 pups. Out of those 13 pups, 5 made GRNTCHs and 2 made NTCHs. I take that as a decent reproducing percentage. Thats not counting the other 6 that never received a title but very well could have been coondogs.

As for Buddy, he has alot of traits that come from both Rat and Lipper. Some nights he favors more than the other. He definately has the big Lipper mouth. He's also built like Lipper.

All in all, you could take his titles away and throw away his papers and he'd still stay here until the end. I've had alot of fun following through the woods!!

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i dont understand how you can give credit to lipper when rat sired that dog....rats the no 1 reproducer for a reason...im sorry but lipper doesnt rank with rat say what you want about rat but you cant say he didnt reproduce that statement would be ridiculous.

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85% of what rat reproduced are only hunted in the summer time they win but fall off the earth when the leaves fall off that happens for reason

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When Lipper was hot, my main hunting buddy was an older fellow who was good friends with Joe House, and was back and forth down there all the time.

I hunted with a boat load of Lipper dogs.

The ones I liked best were out of old Finley River blooded bitches. They needed a shot of cold blood

Too many of the straight House bred ones were pretty much like Voyd described.

That was my experience and my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

He did put drive and big, screaming mouths in his pups, and at that time, the Walker breed was in need of both.

I also thought the Lipper dogs were good looking scamps, big stout hounds with good running gear.

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John, I think Joe sold Lipper because of his pups.

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Heres a pedigree for a female we have and man are her pups awesome.
************GrNtCh Houses Tom Tom
**********GrNtCh Houses Clint
************NtCh Kentucky Judy
********GrNtChGrCh Houses Lipper
************GrNtCh Shives Goldhill Tom
**********Houses Queen Lou
***********NtCh Shives Goldhill Lou(Yadkin River Jeffs 1st aunt)
******GrCh Rough Rv.Lip's Ozark
************GrNtCh Houses Clint
**********GrNtChGrCh Houses Lipper
************Houses Queen Lou
********Lippers Kate
************GrNtCh Shives Goldhill Tom
**********Laniers Kate
************Johnson's Queen(Houses Chief grandaughter)
Rough River Jewell
**********NtCh Yadkin River Jeff(Houses Bawlie great grandpup
*********GrNtCh Yadkin Tar Rattler
***********NtCh Tar Heel Peggy
********GrNtCh Nocturnal Nailor
***********GrNtChGrCh Houses Lipper
**********GrNtChGrCh Lockdown Lassie
************NtCh Rockers' Banjo Style Babe
*******GrCh Coal Creek Singing Sally
************GrNtChCh Hicountry's Nite Heat
***********Ball's Hickory Nutt Harry
*************GrNtCh Lone Pine Patches
**********River Bottom Sandy
**************WorldNtChGrNtCh Bellars PacMan(Houses Chief)
************NtCh Murrows Slam Dunken Sally
**************Lawsons Kansas Angel

I have a young male out of her and a Southern SoundxLipper bred male and you outta hear him "SCREAM" I had to laugh I had Brent Denniston hunt him for me this spring and he called me up and said"you won't be able to hunt this pup very late any where there is a house within a mile cause you'll wake them all up." LOL At the time he was hunting All Grand Ladies Man for Darrell Sturgell and Ryan Sears asked him what kinda mouth he head compared to Ladys Man and Brent told him he drownd out Ladys Man.They can be idiots but they can sure be exciting and as my signature says,"Your either making dust or your eating it!"

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Travis... You still have that female? When do you plan on crossing her on something again? I really like how that is stacked up!

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I am going to breed her in October either to Rock or his littermate brother(same cross as the young male I talked about) and they are out of a triple Lipper bred female themselves.I am going to have to have Rocks semen tested when he gets home cause he missed some females this summer.Guess you should have used that stud fee before he left Mel LOL if he is sterile Mel we can use it on his brother or something else I have.

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85% of what rat reproduced are only hunted in the summer time they win but fall off the earth when the leaves fall off that happens for reason

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IF you breed females that aren't lacking , and you would be happy if you had ten of them , then that lipper blood gives that extra ump !! the only other blood that i have personally seen do this is Coma blood .

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I am going to breed her in October either to Rock or his littermate brother(same cross as the young male I talked about) and they are out of a triple Lipper bred female themselves.I am going to have to have Rocks semen tested when he gets home cause he missed some females this summer.Guess you should have used that stud fee before he left Mel LOL if he is sterile Mel we can use it on his brother or something else I have.

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pure BS!!

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I am a Bluetick man but have had the oppertunity to hunt with many, many Walker hounds. And like I said before I like the Lipper bred dogs the best. I know the arguement, Rat, Sackett Jr, etc had more Nt Ch's & Gr Nt Ch's, but we all know that really doesnt mean everything. I will say this, those 2 dogs probably produced more consistantly than Lipper but you can attribute that to the quality of females as much as anything. BUT, I think if you took the 10 best dogs that Lipper ever produced and the 10 best the others produced then Lipper would come out on top. I saw a lot of pups out Sackett Jr and Rat( not all pups) that didnt have a lot of go in them but were still able to make Gr Nt Ch., they were good, just not alot of hunt.

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Kelley, you might be right about Lipper being the better reproducer when compared to Rat or Junior.

I know practially all of Lipper'and Junior's pups have died off but Rat still has the majority of his pups hunting or about ready to be entered in hunts, Rats pups could end up winning twice what they have won so far.

How does Lipper's pups compare at this time with Rats pups winnings with money, super stakes or world hunts won.

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pure BS!!

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John, I think Joe sold Lipper because of his pups.

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Johnny, I thought you owned Lawyer.

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