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What was one of the “Bigtimer” dogs that you always read about but when you hunted with them they were worthless or mediocre?

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Fixnn to be some hurt feelings here!!

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I've been with two world champions, breed leaders, state leaders, and as many Gr Nts as the next guy, and I've only seen three dogs that I considered above average. Most are just pretty good dogs with great promoters.
But I'll not be naming names, lol.

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Originally posted by Cory Highfill
I've been with two world champions, breed leaders, state leaders, and as many Gr Nts as the next guy, and I've only seen three dogs that I considered above average. Most are just pretty good dogs with great promoters.
But I'll not be naming names, lol.

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A dog that is mediocre every night of the week with a good handler that knows their dogs every move before they make it will win alot of hunts. I wouldnt necessarily call them counterfits since thats yhe name of the game.

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80-90% of the nite hunt dogs r counterfeits....jmo

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In my case, it’s the fat bald headed dude I see in the mirror that’s the counterfeit! I have no room to critique any dog until I get back to hunting enough to do so

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Originally posted by Vic Stoll
In my case, it’s the fat bald headed dude I see in the mirror that’s the counterfeit! I have no room to critique any dog until I get back to hunting enough to do so

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Had an older fellow tell me years ago that the difference between a good dog and a great dog was a full page add in the magazine every month.

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Originally posted by Cory Highfill
I've been with two world champions, breed leaders, state leaders, and as many Gr Nts as the next guy, and I've only seen three dogs that I considered above average. Most are just pretty good dogs with great promoters.
But I'll not be naming names, lol.

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Originally posted by Cory Highfill
I've been with two world champions, breed leaders, state leaders, and as many Gr Nts as the next guy, and I've only seen three dogs that I considered above average. Most are just pretty good dogs with great promoters.
But I'll not be naming names, lol.

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30 years ago a guy I hunted with that had run the competition trail pretty hard asked me what's the difference in a $500 dog and a $2500 dog. I said I didn't know. He said $2000 and that's about it. I've found that there was a lot of truth in that statement.

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Originally posted by PreacherTom
30 years ago a guy I hunted with that had run the competition trail pretty hard asked me what's the difference in a $500 dog and a $2500 dog. I said I didn't know. He said $2000 and that's about it. I've found that there was a lot of truth in that statement.

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Originally posted by 2nd Mac
X2. I might add that who owns them has a lot to do with it too.

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log chain leroy loud tree dog no coons seen
and we treed 4 singles that night with our less valuable dogs LOL

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Originally posted by rocky tanner
log chain leroy loud tree dog no coons seen
and we treed 4 singles that night with our less valuable dogs LOL

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So do you ask this question from the perspective of hunting with said dog on numerous nights in the woods or from say 1 or 2 times in a competition setting?

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Originally posted by arkansas cooner
Will you name the ones that you really liked?

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Originally posted by DL NH
So do you ask this question from the perspective of hunting with said dog on numerous nights in the woods or from say 1 or 2 times in a competition setting?

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Elite and world class hounds seem to only peek for a short period of time. When they peek they can be unbeatable when the wheels fall off they can embarrass you and look stupid just like anything. Now you can win a big hunt with a average dog but to be in the mix of winning and winning a lot of major hunts there is something unique and special about those hounds. What separates elite from everything else is an elite dog can hit a bref period of a week or a month where they get under a coon no matter the circumstance you put them in and do it fast. There is nothing more a dog can do than do that.

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Ole Mr Clean had to be pretty consistent to do the winning he did. They aren’t born like that very often and he also produced some good hounds as well.

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Went with a highly advertised stud dog!Saw him tree 9 straight possums on the only night we hunted.

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If a stud owner won't show a stud in the woods it's a huge red flag. And when they say to valuable to hunt you can almost guarantee it's counterfeit.

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Originally posted by Lone Pine JB
If a stud owner won't show a stud in the woods it's a huge red flag. And when they say to valuable to hunt you can almost guarantee it's counterfeit.

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I agree Bender. I see the importance of hunting with the pups more than the stud. Only reason I would have to see him, is if I was gonna buy him. Although, if possible I would definitely like to see him go.

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