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They will not always test positive. If they test positive when you retest them then they still have it.

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have talked to several vets across the country about this and all told me that dogs will always test positive for 7 to 10 years.

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Im sorry they misinformed you but thats not true at all i have had 3 dogs with it and serval freinds with dogs that have had treat them till you get a negative test result! Then i retest every 6 mo. Everyone i have treated 60 of doxy and 2 rounds of imozol have tested negative afterwards.

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Treated 5 with doxy and shots but. Never retested but one. I had his blood sent to one of leading labs in country spent months and 2 k doing what they told my vet to do and he retested positive but Iím probably wrong usually am. Iím just surprised after years of dealing with this reading everything I could find to read and all the threads on here I have never read or heard this. Sorry for giving out false information.

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I agree its the worse problem we have with hounds today is keeping them healthy. No reason to say sorry thats your opinion and what you have learned im just stating mine and what have learned about and i have spent more hrs studying about erlichia and thyriod then i ever did in school lol i have found that you have to be very aggrasive with erlichia and test and treat and test and treat. I too have spent thousands of dollars on this treating them. I say if it is a top hound dont give up on it keep treating and they will recover.

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Erlichia

So if my hound tested negative for erlichia then the doxy treatment is unnecessary, and maybe I should be looking at different cause!?

Mr. preacher I apologize about jumping on your post but it sounds like we have similar situation and trying to get a grasp in this dogs issue.

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Im no vet i was just stating what i have learned from dealing with it but if test negative then i would say there is another problem with the dog then erlichia. Thyriod can show same signs as erlichia. Have you tested the thyriod level ? Have you check white blood cell count ?

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Next step

Thatís the plan next, probably have full panel done, I believe it was the white count that was on the lower side of the spectrum but not out of limits.

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No problem Driftwood22. We need all the information we can get. Sometimes our local vets just can't stay up with everything.

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You are both right to a certain extent. Ehrlichiosis treatment ability and "curing" the disease is very dependent upon the stage it is in there are 3 stages. It enters into platelets and the later organs like the spleen. Like many other tick illness this ability to hide makes it very difficult to truly get rid of it all though you may get negative test results. Dogs that were not completely cured can experience relapses in times of stress upon their bodies or any thing that may cause their natural immune system to become compromised then it will flourish again. There are also false positives when the dog has fought off the disease and antibodies are still being cleared from the body, this is the reason for the re-testing at 6-9mo after diagnosis.
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Jen

Help me understand this. I have always been told and believed until now that a dog couldnít be completely cured and would always carry ehrlichia and would always test positive and it could show up again at anytime.

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https://www.vetinfo.com/derlick.html
Eurlychia in dogs very good stuff to read
Read facts instead of opinions from here..

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Bob

I dont believe you truely do ever cure it necessary but yet keep it at bay you might say. It goes dormant I think most dogs will have flare ups with stress at some point. That is why i retest every 6 mo or if i suspect they have a flare up. We also give doxy a week before we head out to a big hunt if going to be gone on road for a few days. Have had great results doing this and what works for me may not for you.

Todd you can read all the facts you want as i have read them all myself. Doesnt mean you just say oh well throw the towel in and give up. Its like anything else can always learn from someone else's experience. Not being a smart a$$ but we all need to work together to figure out what works best.

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My vet told me (and he may be wrong) that they will always test positive for the disease but if you do blood work they can test negative for the infection.

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If I wasn't trying to help I wouldn't of posted that HUGE article for you all to read.. I dealt with this myself last summer. My dog recovered, but he is now worthless in the summer he is good for 1 tree after temps get above 70. He can't take the heat at all now

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A user on the thyroid thread suggested to raise my dogs level from 1.4 to 3 to give him the boost in the summer. I tried it and it ended up dropping his level to a .6 so is all I'm saying is watch what advice you take when it comes to our hounds....I got him off the thyroid meds and he is back to a 1.4 it wasn't pretty to see my hound at .6

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When you give a dog thyroid meds their thyroid gland will stop producing hormones. So if you are going to give meds then you have to make sure to give enough. You can't just give a little to "supplement" their thyroid glands natural production.

My experience has also been that once a dog has had Erlichiosis then they will always struggle in the summer.

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Jeremiah

Thatís what Iíve been thinking. I had one treated at 6 months old with Doxy and the shots he is 13 months now if I test him now could he test negative?

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Yes absolutely he could test negative mine tested negative the laat 2 times. Also have two good friends that have had dogs with erlichia and treated them till they got a negative test back amd both those hounds have not tested positive again!! Now will they have a,flair up sometime and test positive maybe so nut only time will tell.

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