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I gotta ? Wouldn't hireing a drone service to help retrieve deer on private property that permission is not granted, wouldn't that also be grounds for drone pilot licenses to be revoked.....the drone service pilot helped break the law....him being a state trooper is irrelevant.....or is it ?.....just thinking out loud.

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Are you serious? Tyrannical? Bully someone out of their deer head. Hahaha

Hoosier shot a deer on his property and it ran onto his neighbor's property. In Ohio you can not go on someone else property to retrieve a dead deer without permission. Once the deer leaves your property and goes on the neighboring property, it is no longer your deer.
If it is proven Hoosier was not on the neighboring property, he will get his deer back.

Have you had a lot of interaction with police?

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REMEMBER repeat REMEMBER, it's only cheating if you get caught.

Man Dave, Hoosier hasn't been charged with murder. I doublt he'll be charged at all. He shot a deer on his property and recovered it on his neighbor's property. More than likely the worst thing that is going to happen, has already happened. He lost his deer. NOW, if it turns out he was not on the other property, he'll get his deer back.

I think Hoosier knows the deer was recovered on his neighbor's property. I think if he thought it was on his property he would have said so.

Hoosier didn't say why or how the neighbor knows the deer was on his property. I assume he found a gut pile and you can bet the neighbor has the spot marked on GPS.

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As you can see from the varied responses, there are those who only offer negative responses based on their preconceived assumptions, whether right or wrong. They have nothing positive to offer, myself, I do NOT know exactly what the real situation is no more than anyone but you personally. My advice was based on my sincere desire to offer you info that should be helpful to you and anyone else in a similar situation. Good luck whatever the results. Dave

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Yes I've heard of the 1st Amendment- I think it's right before the 2nd? If you read my post you would clearly see my perspective was that this would, or should be, treated like a very minor deal- if any deal at all. I spelled it out that it appeared there was no intent to trespass, and no damages- so I suspected a prosecutor would not find it worth their time to fight / prosecute it.

My point with the citizens who want to film their interactions with law-enforcement was simply that they are not taken all that serious, usually. Anytime you go talk to a person, wanting their help, their perspective, or to share your perspective... well the worst way to do that is with an antagonist and confrontational attitude... and filming a cop is almost always considered a way to say you want and expect confrontation and that you don't trust them. Sure it's your right... but usually hurts more than helps your cause. Basic human communications.

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I believe there are different laws in each state regarding drones. Ohio they are allowed as it's considered air space. Nobody owns the sky.
........If I drive my car back there driveway tomorrow and go knock on there door would that make me guilty of trespassing also?

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Ringtail, You are making to many assumptions and are acting as if Trevor knew he was wrong. My advice was what any respectable Attorney would tell Trevor ( Hoosier). Opinions do not matter. Nothing I have posted suggests cheating in any way, but protecting ones rights and helping a fellow hunter. Dave

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I gotta ? Wouldn't hireing a drone service to help retrieve deer on private property that permission is not granted, wouldn't that also be grounds for drone pilot licenses to be revoked.....the drone service pilot helped break the law....him being a state trooper is irrelevant.....or is it ?.....just thinking out loud.

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One more thing Trevor, there are hunting apps that show the property line for most states and I am
positive there are ones for Ohio. I personally have 2 myself 1 for Virginia and 1 for Tennessee. They even show the landowners names and property lines based on GPS data. The ownership might not be up to date as land often changes ownership, but the property line are up to date. I have seen cases by hunters using this info to sue a land owner over shooting their dogs based on GPS data from the tracking collars that proved the dogs were never on that property owners land. We have tools available today to solve land disputes like trespassing and other erroneous claims. For anyone to suggest that not talking to law enforcement suggests one has something to hide is either foolish at worst or naive at best. Remember that law enforcement can actually lie to someone in order to collect information regarding their case. One very good reason why one is definitely not compelled to talk to them. Being charged with an offense does not mean one is guilty, that's what a court of law is for. Attorneys and judges even juries when needed decide cases NOT Law enforcement. Law enforcement only upholds the law charging a offense when they think someone has broken the law. Our court system provides that everyone is entitled to legal representation even being appointed a lawyer by the court if they can not afford one. I realize that none of this will be needed in this case, only giving this info for those that might need it in the future. Hope it helps. Dave

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Trevor, it would be my guess that if this is a large block or tract of land that it most likely has not been surveyed. Old deeds often refer to markers that have long disappeared making actual boundary lines difficult to ascertain. If they proceed against you on s trespassing claim, make them show you a survey that actually confirms their property lines, not just old deed markers that may be inaccurate. Surveys are NOT cheap, put that ball in their court. Dave

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Trevor, it would be my guess that if this is a large block or tract of land that it most likely has not been surveyed. Old deeds often refer to markers that have long disappeared making actual boundary lines difficult to ascertain. If they proceed against you on s trespassing claim, make them show you a survey that actually confirms their property lines, not just old deed markers that may be inaccurate. Surveys are NOT cheap, put that ball in their court. Dave

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Was the trooper using state property to find your deer?

If the Trooper knew or thought you were not on property you had permission to be on , he would have to report it, on duty or not.

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Was the trooper using state property to find your deer?

If the Trooper knew or thought you were not on property you had permission to be on , he would have to report it, on duty or not.

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He runs a deer drone recovery business on the side.

As of today my lawyer wants more money from me and there are still no charges or any word since they questioned me 2 weeks ago. In Ohio the statute of limitations on tresspassing is 4 years. That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I dont see how they can not return the deer if no charges are ever filed. My fear is they will try to keep it another 3 years and 11 months.

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I would also assume that the Trooper would have to mark the GPS coordinates of the deer, so you could find it. My guess your problems originate with the Trooper.

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I would also assume that the Trooper would have to mark the GPS coordinates of the deer, so you could find it. My guess your problems originate with the Trooper.

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You have received some good advise and a bunch of just opinions. Ultimately, none of these opinions mean nothing to your case. If you have a attorney and it appears that you do from your comments, let him do his job. All of the opinions coming from this board means nothing. I gave you some facts to think about based on my back ground and hope you discussed this info with your attorney. Not to be rude, but you should listen to what your attorney tells you and disregard opinions from those who have no legal knowledge. Dave

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Trevor... You could just hire Mr Richards. He has ALL the answers. 😂. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

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Well heck, if Mr Richards is an attorney, I would agree! 👍

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Got a ticket squirrel hunting in the 90’s , warden asked to see my written permission, didn’t have any , I said it wasn’t posted. He said if you didn’t own it someone else does. Paid the $80

The Trooper has to report it , or could lose his job. If he posted pictures of his find to promote his business , landowner could have seen it and recognized the deer, contacted The drone Trooper or Wildlife officer then the investigation is on .

Huntview in Ohio is pretty accurate , within feet on my property , I know the technology on that drone is far superior , ignorance of the property lines does not absolve anyone from consequences, even the trooper!

I have heard a retired wildlife officer could lose his pension, if he knows of a wildlife violation and doesn’t report it!

You also said wardens had numerous complaints on you, probably while you were lawfully coonhunting. Everybody hates a Coonhunter, you may not know them , but they know you . It definitely stinks , Goodluck with it!

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Scott, here is what the Ohio revised code has to say about tressspassing. Most that are charged with it don't fight it. From doing research, most prosecuting attorneys won't even mess with it unless it's completely blatant. The Wardens told me they had multiple complaints on me but he's probably blowing hot air to make a case that I knew the area and had already been warned. Which is a complete lie.

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Yea , I’m sure if the complaints are valid landowner heard dogs , and “thought you were on him”. That’s the criminal trespass statute you posted, one can negligently “not knowingly” be cited as well and that’s a fact. In Ohio you can actually have permission to be there, officer can ask for your written permission, if you don’t have it, you can be cited. If you go 35 in a 25 get pulled over , and tell the officer you thought the the speed limit was 35, you’re getting a ticket! Hunter regulations in Ohio clearly state that you must have written permission to retrieve downed game. I’m on your side , it is what it is! You should pay the attorney and have him put their feet to the coals! A lot more pertinent issues in this state for sure!!

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