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rdmedders
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nose!?

i know this been talked about many times! so here we go again! last night i sent my 2 1/2 year old female up a mountain stream she hunted up the stream for 700-800 yards with a few areas where she would stop for a few minutes and paint the garmin then she would move it deeper . she finally set down and treed and had a double up the tree!
what do you guys think onbthe type of nose she had? she never barked on track , the first bark i heard was when she located!

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Some would call her a lay up dog. Sounds better than a dog who just didn't open on track. Lol
Can't tell much about her nose on the information ya gave.

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Nose

If both coons all balled up a sleep in fork of tree she treed a couple lay ups.

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Good post. I hear all the time on here that a dog that want open it’s mouth on track an just fall treed is a tight mouth dog that shouldn’t be bred an ruining the competition game. It sounds to me like the dog done it right. She worked the track out, swung out , made circles an carried it out an had her coon. My question is why does it make a difference how much mouth they give, or any at all for that matter. Why should that determine what kinda nose they should have.

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My opinion: How much they bark has nothing to do with how cold their nose is. But I do like a dog that opens but not too much.

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Tom I agree nose and mouth two different things

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You are 100 percent correct nose and mouth are definitely 2 different things. I have see hot nosed tight mouthed dogs and cold nosed tight mouth dogs, and plenty of open mouth dogs that were not very good track dogs, just barking out of excitement. The very best track dogs that I have seen gave mouth according to the track, the colder the track the quieter the do, the hotter the track the more they opened. Dave

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Re: Preacher Tom

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You are 100 percent correct nose and mouth are definitely 2 different things. I have see hot nosed tight mouthed dogs and cold nosed tight mouth dogs, and plenty of open mouth dogs that were not very good track dogs, just barking out of excitement. The very best track dogs that I have seen gave mouth according to the track, the colder the track the quieter the do, the hotter the track the more they opened. Dave



my young dog is the opposite from that. The colder the track the more mouth she'll give and the hotter it is the quieter she is. She's not the best dog, and she sure isn't the fastest track dog I've seen but she tree's coons.

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my young dog is the opposite from that. The colder the track the more mouth she'll give and the hotter it is the quieter she is. She's not the best dog, and she sure isn't the fastest track dog I've seen but she tree's coons.


The best cold trailing dogs I’ve seen give less mouth when cold trailing and more mouth as the track gets better. I get concerned about dogs that use a lot of mouth when cold trailing. I guess because most of them were better at barking than at moving an old track. Not saying yours is this way, just saying what I’ve experienced.

That being said, I think some dogs that are exceptionally fast will tighten up on mouth when they get close and near enough to catch the coon.

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The best cold trailing dogs I’ve seen give less mouth when cold trailing and more mouth as the track gets better. I get concerned about dogs that use a lot of mouth when cold trailing. I guess because most of them were better at barking than at moving an old track. Not saying yours is this way, just saying what I’ve experienced.

That being said, I think some dogs that are exceptionally fast will tighten up on mouth when they get close and near enough to catch the coon.



I agree, like I was trying to say I've seen faster. I think she's an average track dog for speed at best at around 7 or 8 mph. Some nights you'd swear to god some of these dogs bark just to hear themselves do it. Mine doesn't bark very much at all normally. She might give a few barks when she picks it up. But she normally barks here then moves a good ways(200 yards or better) then barks again. And some nights she never barks on the ground much if at all. I've seen better all round dogs go. She's young, and got a later start than some, but she trees coons and not a bunch of blanks or dens.

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update.

last night my female had a rough night, first drop she had the coon within 8 minutes. had a 200 yard walk! we made several more drops with no luck! Go on couple of old feeder tracks that she worked on but couldn't get it to a tree! working it deeper and deeper then finely given up and coming back to truck! slow night!

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My common sense tells me that on average a winning competition dog will have an average nose...I say this because a super cold nosed dog will take a colder track and will probably lose to a fast tracking medium nosed dog...I don’t want or need a super cold nosed dog...

Just a few days ago my brother calls me and eventually the talk turned to dogs of years gone by...

Well it wasn’t long he brought up Yeller and Smoke...smoke was the uncle to Yeller and a brother to Yellers dam...we named her Dragon lady...

When Yeller was less than or around 4 months he struck and ran his hog to a slew before he lost the pig but Smoke already had struck and was working the tracks...

A week later on another hunt Smoke comes running by and never slows down as he passes through...he crosses a small swamp with an inlet drainage and Yeller comes by and stops and puts his nose in a track...he starts working the track and he is working it backwards...he worked it about 150 yards before he lost it...
Well I was excited and so was my brother...a friend that was along said what are you getting all fired up about...Yeller was working the track the wrong way...
I said...Smoke came through and didn’t pick up on the track...Yeller took it the wrong way...true but he could smell it and he tried to run it and he is a 4 month old pup...he is showing us of what is to come...

His colder nose was definitely a plus...he struck smoking hot tracks and could work an older track as needed...

I have another dog now with a decent nose as well...I see the advantage...one the colder tracks I see the other dogs come and keep going and then this dog comes by and opens and takes a track...he’s also the better rig dog that can wind a long range...

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I want a dog to call when he moves the track to new ground. Key word moves! And call again when it moves further to new ground. I would like him to be quiet when hung up and to call as soon as he figures out the hang...A dog that consistently barks on a hang or on a lose is babbling....

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Re: Nose

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I want a dog to call when he moves the track to new ground. Key word moves! And call again when it moves further to new ground. I would like him to be quiet when hung up and to call as soon as he figures out the hang...A dog that consistently barks on a hang or on a lose is babbling....


I like what you said...that type of dog pulls in the pack and the chances of stopping the hog improves...

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