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ahallada
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Another Hit on Grain Free Diets!

The veterinary profession has been studying the effects of BEG style diets on the myocardium of dogs. These include Boutique, Exotic, and Grain Free diets. What has been discovered is there is an over representation of dogs being fed these style of foods and Dilated Cardiomyopathy. Here is a good summary from a Veterinary Nutritionist. At first it was thought to be related to Taurine amino acid deficiency, but that has been debunked now.

http://vetnutrition.tufts.edu/2018/11/dcm-update/

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I read this entire article, and there is one statement that sum the whole thing up for me.

What’s causing diet-associated DCM in dogs? For the vast majority of dogs, we do not yet know what is causing this disease.

Now, here’s my question..

Of all the dogs tested, how many are standard breeds, how many are these new “designer” breeds, how many are physically active on a regular basis like a hound or a police dog? How many dogs have been tested for this report?

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Originally posted by Huntnharris
I read this entire article, and there is one statement that sum the whole thing up for me.

What’s causing diet-associated DCM in dogs? For the vast majority of dogs, we do not yet know what is causing this disease.

Now, here’s my question..

Of all the dogs tested, how many are standard breeds, how many are these new “designer” breeds, how many are physically active on a regular basis like a hound or a police dog? How many dogs have been tested for this report?



Those are all great questions. This has been a fairly recent finding within the veterinary profession so there are a few things we don't know yet, like what exactly is causing it. This is not a study where they are subjecting dogs to the diets and then testing them for DCM. These are Cardiologists who are reporting dogs who are diagnosed with DCM and a history is obtained to find out what kind of diet they have been fed.

I will tell you this, the Grain Free Diet is better for your pet stuff is about to be debunked in dogs and cats. It was BS from the start. The companies that started this trend didn't even have nutritionists or veterinarians on board to provide any studies on their foods and claims. When you remove natural sources of key nutrients from diets and then have to supplement with artificial ingredients to make up for it, it is never a good thing. The iodine supplementation issue is just one problem we are facing with our hounds right now.

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Originally posted by ahallada
Those are all great questions. This has been a fairly recent finding within the veterinary profession so there are a few things we don't know yet, like what exactly is causing it. This is not a study where they are subjecting dogs to the diets and then testing them for DCM. These are Cardiologists who are reporting dogs who are diagnosed with DCM and a history is obtained to find out what kind of diet they have been fed.

I will tell you this, the Grain Free Diet is better for your pet stuff is about to be debunked in dogs and cats. It was BS from the start. The companies that started this trend didn't even have nutritionists or veterinarians on board to provide any studies on their foods and claims. When you remove natural sources of key nutrients from diets and then have to supplement with artificial ingredients to make up for it, it is never a good thing. The iodine supplementation issue is just one problem we are facing with our hounds right now.

Doc



I have been saying this all along....

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Me thinks y’all are thinking to much there’s a whole bunch of us out there that are having no problems feeding the same feeds y’all are having problems with. I feed victor purple bag my son feeds Purina dog chow his has bigger dookie to clean up that’s the only difference.


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ME-THINKS TAR BABY is right , is this one of those # ME- TOO moments Tar?

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Me thinks some give their professional opinion and stirs the kettle because they reap a nice profit in doing so.



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All can say is after taking my female off off grain free feed, she had her first full heat cycle a few months later at 2 years old

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Maybe she just wasent in the mood.


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I think variety is good in a dogs diet , real bones uncooked, raw meat some bacon grease, eggs , raw liver , table scraps etc. along with any of the good to decent quality dog foods out there.

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Maybe, maybe not, who knows, I just try to learn from experience. The school of hard knocks is about the only advanced education I have and I don't mind getting a little professional advice, doesn't mean I have to use it, but I can

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Mrs tar will be home tomorrow night I am going to tell her no steak tonight honey nothen but corn for you lol.



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Mrs tar will be home tomorrow night I am going to tell her no steak tonight honey nothen but corn for you lol.



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I've always enjoyed a corn fed woman. JS

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Me thinks people are wearing blinders. Guess they never saw 1 person drink a drink and drive home, yet another is drunk as a skunk, or 1 takes pain meds and goes to work, and another sleeps for 16 hours, or that chemical suppliments beats natural for everyone all the same. People are the same and Not every animal reacts the same... And BTW... Purple wasn't the color of choice and you know that...
But hey.. If anyone wants a good food to TEST... I would be happy to name a few for you all to try. But please, use exactly the ones I mention... Lol

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Just an opinion along with the thyroid , heat cycle thing , could it be genetic flaws being amplified due to to many shots and such along with diet?

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Purina high pro in the blue bag was the best feed year around I ever fed then they quit making it they say retriever high pro is the same thing I just ain’t got the guts to try it. We can’t even get the red bag of ( v) here so must be something to it the purple is not grain free. My buddy feeds ole Roy red bag you let those beagles out all 8 of them walk right the way your going 20 yards hump up and dookie all at the same time geez you can’t breath !! That’s the stinkingest stuff I ever smelled ! It’s like walking in a mine field it will eat the bottom off your shoe lol.



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quote:
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Just an opinion along with the thyroid , heat cycle thing , could it be genetic flaws being amplified due to to many shots and such along with diet?


In my case, 4 females, 3 different bloodlines, from 1-6 years old. All stopped having heat cycles at then same time... And all started back having them the same time after switching food. Have used the same brand shots, worm medicine, heartworm preventative, same flea and tick preventative, same farms, same house, same well water, no additional fertilizer or weed killer on farms.... Search my name... You'll see... Not the first post.. It got poofed...

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Me thinks some give their professional opinion and stirs the kettle because they reap a nice profit in doing so.



Tar



Not me. Heck my dogs don't even eat the stuff I sell in my office. I can't afford it. lol

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American Redbone Coonhound Assoc. Hall of Fame

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1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone
1992 Wisconsin State Champion
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Produced 2 Nt. Ch. , 1 Gr.Nt.Ch. out of 2 litters and two Redbone Days Winners

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2016 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - New Albany, MS
2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
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PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
2016 National Redbone Days Overall Winner

Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
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Gr.Nt.Ch. Too the Maxx
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Jenkins Crying Katie)
1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
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1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
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Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel

Nt. Ch. Timber Shock
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Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
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Harley I am not disagreeing with you at all , it is highly likely a combination of things from diet issues , amplified through recessive genes , look it takes a long time for some of these problems to surface , whether through selective breeding , nutrition, breakthroughs in modern medicine etc. , just look at some of the medicines they advertise on tv the side effects could be worse than what you got. Each of us is probably right in some fashion , but we also each have very different pieces to the same puzzle.

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Harley I am not disagreeing with you at all , it is highly likely a combination of things from diet issues , amplified through recessive genes , look it takes a long time for some of these problems to surface , whether through selective breeding , nutrition, breakthroughs in modern medicine etc. , just look at some of the medicines they advertise on tv the side effects could be worse than what you got. Each of us is probably right in some fashion , but we also each have very different pieces to the same puzzle.


What I have found is chemicals replacing natural ingredients, overabundance of iodine, and a killer... Potassium iodide... Used as an iodine replacement. Look it up and see What it is. Some of your $40-$60 a bag food use it.
I have zero problems since going back to old school food

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I've always enjoyed a corn fed woman. JS

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JS thank you for lightening the mood of all this doom and gloom!

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