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4 dogs in cast. All struck and 2 treed. Wait 5 minutes and 2 dogs treed are in brush pile. One dog is handled other is not because he is out of reach. Dog c is declared treed with d still on track. What do you do? Time out or all must go score dog c tree? This part did not happen but what if dog d trees when going to c’s tree? Dog a can be recast before d is declared treed?

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start the 5 on C . handle dog out of reach and recut A & B since D is still out on track A & B can be recut. go score treed dog C .

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I assume dog B is the one that cant be handled and is out of reach ?

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Yes dog A can be recast if D hasnt been declared treed

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Dog b cannot be handled and is in brush pile.

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I would say send handler of C to go handle dog after his 5 up and wait for cast . While this is going on give dog owner B a satisfactory amount of time to handle B while dog owner D is listening for D to get treed. You have to go Score C . Bad break for dog B .

in this situation i dont think U can call timeout unless one of the dogs or handlers were in danger.

This is a heck of a purrdickament !! LOL

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Must be a good question since so many people are jumping on it !! LOL
My judgement prob wasnt the correct one .....

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I'll back ya up Toad Hill. lol.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "out of reach". I'd guess therein lies the problem. Why exactly is the dog out of reach or why can it not be handled?

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I wasn't there so I don't know what should have been done.

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Im gonna guess this dog couldn't be handled because the dog was under the log pile with NO WAY to actually get your hands on the dog and pull it out from under there. This happened to me this winter while pleasure hunting. Dogs were in a bull dozer pile with NO WAY I could physicall get my hands on the dog. I had to go to the lower end of the dozer pile and call my dog down to me approximate 10 yds or so.

Took about 10 minutes to get the dog to listen to me and come to me. I'm guessing this was a similar situation.

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Happened at state hunt and similar situation at our local club. One time a time out was called and other time things moved on. Both times dog came out of brush pile and was not hurt. When time out was called it was the judges dog.

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Allen - LOL !


We have ALOT of dozer piles here . I hate em ! Esp when trying to train a young dog and you want a good race from strike to tree and be treed on a tree not a dozed pile or in it. Bad break for the dog in competition AND even while just pleasure hunting/training. My cousin had to get a chain saw and cut out a way to one once ( Not during a hunt). it took over an hour . It pays to have a good handle on a dog but sometimes when adrenaline mode or when one is face to face with the coon they are hard or impossible to call off. Depends on the dog all are different.
If i had one stuck and knew it was gonna cost the hunt time and I there wasnt much on line to win i'd just have to withdraw i guess and let the other 3 dogs move on finish hunt cause its not fair to the other 3. Just a bad break IMO

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I will add one other thing ..... If i'm dog D youre def not calling time out LOL

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I have seen natural log jams and man made brush piles bigger than most houses. I think the coons had surveillance cameras and a flag flying on some of them. In my younger days remember ole Dixie in a beaver hole along the creek bank. We spent almost 2 hours trying to get her out by yelling, shooting, squalling and making other dogs tree Finally gave up and she beat us back to the truck. She must of thought we were cheering her on the whole time. Lol.

Just looking for an answer if there is not obvious danger. I have never chainsawed one out or hired a backhoe, my dogs got out what they got into so far. So time out or not?

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I'm gonna take a shot at this. Dog A can't be recut until dozer pile is scored. Can't score until dogs are handled. Call timeout and start the hour. Dog C gets scored because was treed before timeout was called.

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I was just already assuming the brush pile was scored. He never stated that detail but said they handled the dogs declared treed there. Well one of them at least.


You can't call time out . And if you try to , under what rule would allow u to do so ?

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The people on here will tell you call a time out under the rule,( they want to!) Done tried to have a talk about time outs on here and most just do what they want when they want. But I'm this case I don't you can make a time out fit. Dog b's handler can withdraw if he doesn't want to continue without his dog out.

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Here we go again? Sorry, before posting this question I researched holes and piles with no good answers to time out. What if 2 dogs cannot be handled or even 3, does the hunt move on?

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Originally posted by Jack Bingham
I'm gonna take a shot at this. Dog A can't be recut until dozer pile is scored. Can't score until dogs are handled. Call timeout and start the hour. Dog C gets scored because was treed before timeout was called.

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
That works for me. 7(a) fits.

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How can you score brush pile without both dogs that were treed there handled? You can’t. If you can’t handle both dogs at brush pile. Give the handler of the dog that can’t be handled the time to try and handle his dog if it can’t be handled in that time frame scratch hiim bad. Break

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You can't score the brush pile without handling the dog. You cant scratch the handler because his dog is out of reach. No one is really in danger at that moment so 7A doesnt fit right now. So what do you do? There isn't a rule written specifically for this situation so you use the one that fits the best. You call time and give the handler 1 hour to handle the dog. If he cant then he is scratched for delaying the cast. If dog C was declared treed before that decision was made then it can be scored when time is back in.

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Use the one that "best fits " the situation?????
You'd have to have maj vote to call time out regardless .
We can't forget that dog D is still out on track.

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Where's Jim and Allen ? LoL

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Y’all do what you want with draw mine and turn your head!! I don’t do ground holes and I don’t do brush piles. But that’s just me.
I’d say the handler of the dog in the brush pile needs to get his dog handled, I call mine out of it but you more than welcome to climb in there and get him. The dog that left should get an award but we can’t give that to him so we minus his tree points and send the other guy to go handle his dog no sense in him standing here watching this circus. But we ain’t calling no time out if that’s what handler A thinks we gonna do. Break that stuff at home and you won’t get into this mess!! Handler c says take your time lol

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