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while looking into the other post I was looking at the eight min rule. I was in a hunt one night all dog struck two out of the three dogs treed other dog went the other way (2 mile walker style) it was the judges dog. after scoring the tree, we walked out into a field he looks at his garmin and knows the dog can't be heard. he then tells us it's his eight minutes and he has the right to walk in way he wants for eight min. I've heard a lot of people say you go back to the last place you heard the dog a listen but can't find that rule anywhere. anyone know where it is? thanks ps after walking at the pace of Richard Petty's fasts lap for six min. we could hear his dog treed about another grand deep. yeah welcome to some of my comp. huntin fun.

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If a dog is trailing out of hearing, do you walk in that direction or do you stand in one spot and then put the 8 on him when you cant hear him any longer? It is the same principle. And besides, Mr Gingerich has said on several occasions that you walk in the direction that the handler wants to walk. If it was your dog, would you not want to try to get closer so that you could hear him? The 8 minute rule is in place to penalize dogs that shut up and don't open for 8 minutes. It is not for dogs that trail out of hearing and you don't hear for 8 minutes.

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It’s his 8 if he wants to walk u walk he wants to listen u listen , same as it would b for u.

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I went along and didn't argue, only because I had never read anywhere in the book to tell him he was wrong. but I've been in other cast where they said no you have to stand until the 8 is broke, and read it more than once on here.do you happen to know where I could find a couple of spots that he says go to ward them thanks

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He talking about walking ya half a mile then put n the 8 on him. Which 8 should been put on were last heard him at

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Yes u go back to last place trailing dog was heard start the 8 then u walk or listen depending on handlers choice

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The 8 is 2-3min to long. it should be the 5 or the 6..

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
If a dog is trailing out of hearing, do you walk in that direction or do you stand in one spot and then put the 8 on him when you cant hear him any longer? It is the same principle. And besides, Mr Gingerich has said on several occasions that you walk in the direction that the handler wants to walk. If it was your dog, would you not want to try to get closer so that you could hear him? The 8 minute rule is in place to penalize dogs that shut up and don't open for 8 minutes. It is not for dogs that trail out of hearing and you don't hear for 8 minutes.

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Sometimes it works like that you were leash locked for 50 min. One day the rest of the cast may be leash locked walking to you're dog. It's not a hard rule to follow you go back to last place dog was heard and start the time. If the handler wants to stand and listen you stand and listen if he wants to walk you walk.

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Originally posted by johnny reb
. It's not a hard rule to follow you go back to last place dog was heard and start the time.

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I always like all these clear answers. Lol
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Most everyone in the hunts nowadays has a Garmin,before the Garmin days it was correct to go to the last place you heard the dog and start the eight. Now we know which direction and how far away our dog is. Why would you want to possibly walk away from a dog just to go back to where he opened last? Listen for the dog if you don't hear him start the time. The handler has the option of telling you the direction and distance of their dog and can use the eight to walk that direction. Remember the cast should stay together and maintain a pace attainable by all handlers.

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Can agree with that but start the 8. Don't walk me n the direction for half a mile or so then start it. That's situations I have ran into.

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Sometimes it works like that you were leash locked for 50 min. One day the rest of the cast may be leash locked walking to you're dog. It's not a hard rule to follow you go back to last place dog was heard and start the time. If the handler wants to stand and listen you stand and listen if he wants to walk you walk.

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If the judged looked at his Garmin and the dog was last heard any other direction from what that Garmin said at that point we would stay put!!! and then Id let him walk in that direction and scratch him for the use of a Garmin.

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Most everyone in the hunts nowadays has a Garmin,before the Garmin days it was correct to go to the last place you heard the dog and start the eight. Now we know which direction and how far away our dog is. Why would you want to possibly walk away from a dog just to go back to where he opened last? Listen for the dog if you don't hear him start the time. The handler has the option of telling you the direction and distance of their dog and can use the eight to walk that direction. Remember the cast should stay together and maintain a pace attainable by all handlers.

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The use of a Garmin as a scoring aid has already been discussed in another thread, and using it in this situation is not considered " scoring ". Definitely not a scratch able situation!

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It sounds like y'all are saying that if a dog trails out of hearing and trees a coon then you don't think that he should be scored. I dont understand this. Why should a dog be penalized because his coon travels a long way or in a different direction? Y'all want to minus him or call time out and not score his coon because you are too lazy to walk to his tree.

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Sounds like somebody got beat by that deep and lonely ,,

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If you walk out of hearing of a dog then then UKC has officially stated you have to walk back to where you last heard the dog to start the 8.

Every effort is to be made to score the dog. If they trail over a ridge you should go to the top of the ridge to start the 8 too because you KNOW the physical barrier is the only thing keeping you from scoring the dog. By the same token if you walk down in a valley and go out of hearing of the treeing dogs on the way there you can't start the 2.

At the same time you don't walk anywhere to start the 8 if they just hush or whatever.

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Sounds like somebody got beat by that deep and lonely ,,

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Dean, I see no good reason why the cast cannot walk in the direction of that hound, given your scenario? It's his (handler's) 8 minutes and you have no other dog struck in that is being judged?_

I'm going to assume the question really surrounds Telemetry Rule #3, which states:_
At no time may an handler demand the cast walk in the direction of a hound that has not been heard opening. The judge, or majority of cast when hunting judge is used, may agree to walk in that direction.

The purpose of Rule 3# is for dogs blowing out of pocket that have not been struck in or heard, unless the majority of the cast agrees to do so._

Your situation doesn't quite fit that rule because the dog was declared struck. However, the dog hadn't been heard since he was declared struck nearby. So the argument could definitely be made that the rule should apply and it be a majority of cast decision whether or not the cast walk in that direction. Regardless, the 8 minutes comes into play and consideration should be granted to walk in that direction. UKC has stated, in the past, that the handlers whose dogs are on the clock may choose to walk during that time period. So, I'd say that applies here even though it may be waste of walking time in your situation.



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If a dog is trailing out of hearing, do you walk in that direction or do you stand in one spot and then put the 8 on him when you cant hear him any longer? It is the same principle. And besides, Mr Gingerich has said on several occasions that you walk in the direction that the handler wants to walk. If it was your dog, would you not want to try to get closer so that you could hear him? The 8 minute rule is in place to penalize dogs that shut up and don't open for 8 minutes. It is not for dogs that trail out of hearing and you don't hear for 8 minutes.

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Problem being is walking the direction of hound with garmin that cast cannot hear opening or treed. Walking cast to the point to were cast can hear hound. Without the 8 minutes running. If hounds trail opposite directions and splitting diffrence to judge hounds cannot be done. Time should be called to retrieve hounds

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Problem being is walking the direction of hound with garmin that cast cannot hear opening or treed. Walking cast to the point to were cast can hear hound. Without the 8 minutes running. If hounds trail opposite directions and splitting diffrence to judge hounds cannot be done. Time should be called to retrieve hounds

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