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three dogs a.b.c treed one dog d working track in different direction tree is closed walking to the tree 75 +- yards from the tree dogs stop treeing and leave 50 yards you can see four kids standing back from the tree dog a is handled and led to the tree the kids said they were on the kids are not part of the cast ?

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Unfortunately there is no rule that covers what happened and dogs are to be scored as if those kids were not in the woods.
A common sense ruling would be to delete and go on but it doesn't exist and there is no such thing in the Time Out section or delete section of the rules. If the dogs had trailed into other dogs instead of people interfering you would have a leg to stand on though the intent is for cast getting together it is not does not specify. Did they have dogs with them, the rule states dogs not cast lol.
Interference by outside sources is something that UKC probably needs to address. There have been to many instances of things out of a dogs and handlers control that affect the outcome of hunts that maybe aren't dangerous and don't involve roads or posted land.

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dogs a.b.c should have been minused ? should handler of dog a been scratched for handling his dog off the tree and leading the dog to the tree ? no the kids had no dogs with them.

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Unfortunately there is no rule that covers what happened and dogs are to be scored as if those kids were not in the woods......

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Why is that??? If there is no rule against it, why can't you just say the kids interfered with the dogs treeing and delete their strike and tree points? What rule deals with interference? I looked and couldn't find it?

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dogs a.b.c should have been minused ? should handler of dog a been scratched for handling his dog off the tree and leading the dog to the tree ? no the kids had no dogs with them.

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three dogs a.b.c treed one dog d working track in different direction tree is closed walking to the tree 75 +- yards from the tree dogs stop treeing and leave 50 yards you can see four kids standing back from the tree dog a is handled and led to the tree the kids said they were on the kids are not part of the cast ?

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dogs a.b.c should have been minused ? should handler of dog a been scratched for handling his dog off the tree and leading the dog to the tree ? no the kids had no dogs with them.

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I am going to put my 2 Cents in for what it is worth and learned right or wrong over the years.
Then separate them to my understanding .
Every since I first started going to nite hunts it has been forced, pounded ,beaten into my head that if you handle a dog without the judges permission you can be scratched. I never questioned it.
You grab your dog without thought as it is about to cross a road. Bam you are told you are scratched or the question is asked did you with draw your dog ?
That said , there are implied scratches. Scratches that are not specifically wrote in the scratch-able offenses rules (# 6 ). They are not there yet you can be scratched if you commit them.
Those unwrote implied scratches are usually for rules addressed in the nite hunt honor rules, state specifically cannot be done and the penalties for doing them not written. Of course rules that are wrote that specifically say what you are not allowed to do that will get you scratched.
Technically Rule (6) (i) could probably be applied for the scratch rule I guess. Any device used to control dog prior to completion of cast. Your leash???HHMMM.

Here is the caveat... rule 4(e) deals with dogs being called off a track being minus. I still remember before the card reformat the rule specifically saying "no dog is to be called off trail without those points being minus.
In the above scene the dog came back to the handler and was caught/ handled. I know,I know. The judge did not give permission. The whole situation had already played out. The dog had already left the tree and came in to the cast.Under normal circumstances you ignore the dog and go to the treed dogs with the other most likely following you there then getting handled.
So myself, I would have probably applied the rule to deal with dogs being caught off trail and handled. And that rule says minus points. So in this case that's what I would have thought to do .
And because interference could legitimately not be called .Even thought it was not mentioned seems calling time out should had happened also at that point.

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dog a was handled 50 yards from the tree and put on the tree the kids said it was on none of the dogs were seen on any tree.sorry for not being more detailed.

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in a post just below this one it mentions coyotes coming into the tree on a dog and it's called a bad break not interference? also Mr lambert read your comment in that post (interference)

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cricket's LOL

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dog a was handled 50 yards from the tree and put on the tree the kids said it was on none of the dogs were seen on any tree.sorry for not being more detailed.

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Yes it was the judges dog!!and no dogs were seen on the tree.

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