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I suck at finding coons

I was reading some threads about slick treeing tonight at about 1030 before bed. It got me really wanting to go and hunt my dog. Well about midnight I finally got tired of thinking about it and said heck. Im going hunting. Loaded up my crap, dog jumped in the box and I was off. Saw 2 coons in my short 4 minute drive to a spot. Turned the dog loose and he hunted around for about 25 minutes before making a loop by me and finally he opened. (longest he's gone before striking a coon on a cast.) He gave one bawl (its almost like a scream, raspy and aggressive, not what i think a normal bawl is) then chopped once and started treeing. He does this on hot tracks, he hardly opens. Well he trees in a tree split at the base that has limbs everywhere, I couldn't see the coon. Didn't make me feel good. Its 130 now and i decide to go to another spot, I hated to leave on a possible slick. I cast him and he only takes about 5 minutes to open, he eventually loses that track. He keeps going along and chops real quick, bawls twice then rolls over to straight chop. I go down and see it is a tree about the diameter of a dinner plate. Easy to find a coon in this one, I thought. After 9 or 10 minutes of looking I can't see crap on this fairly small tree. I was nearly about to start chewing the dogs butt when I looked up once more and saw what I thought was a star shining through the leaves. I looked around at the sky, not a single star showing. I slid around the tree and sure enough. There sat a coon. Well I gave him a "Good boy!" and turned him off the tree. I walked out grinning so much my cheeks hurt. Then I thought "I really suck at finding coons." I'm still sitting here smiling at 3 in the morning as I type this. I guess I need to trust my dog a little more.....

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All I can say is "you aint the lone ranger!!!" We all have this problem and there are a few that thank god for it...the coon hunting nation spends thousands of dollars on gimmicks like squallers, colored lenses and flutter switches all in the hopes of getting a coon to look.

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finding coon

I read a lot of post that say if a coon is there you will see it. I live in middle Tn . In these creek bottoms the trees are so tall, thick , and close together you can not even see up past 15 feet in most places. There could be a black bear up there and you would not see it.

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Re: finding coon

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I read a lot of post that say if a coon is there you will see it. I live in middle Tn . In these creek bottoms the trees are so tall, thick , and close together you can not even see up past 15 feet in most places. There could be a black bear up there and you would not see it.


Yep. I normally can see just over half the tree. Often times another trees limbs and leaves obstruct. I think most are getting the coon to look at them. But I have treed many this spring and the did not look at me. Only 2 have actually looked and this one was after 10 minutes of shining. The other I could already see and i practically hit it with a stick I threw. Idk. Im afraid to use a squaller as if it is slick, it sure won't help a dogs slicking problem.

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You are not alone. I was pleasure hunting last week and treed in a decent size mulberry tree. I shined that tree for nearly ten minutes and didn't see a thing. Grab the dogs and started away from the tree when I heard the coon hit the ground from jumping out of the tree.

Getting better at locating the coon is one area I would love to improve in my hunting game.

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If the dog is treeing on a big tree, I glance up and look around and one way or another, I decide it's a coon and call it good. I praise the dog and head for the truck. In most cases I can't see the top of the tree anyway. I hunt squirrel too and I learned that it's better to move on and find another than to spend much time looking.

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It amazes me the amount of competition hunters that dont use a red light with the leaves on. I dont care for you to help me shine but if someone in my cast has only a white green or even an amber im taking my two min.
Now, with a super dim white light at a very long distance away a coon will look. When not in a hunt if im treed on a field edge and im walking across a big field ive seen many look from a long distance well before i reach the tree.
Just my experience but not only red color BUT the halo and the big dark spot that alot of people dont like on the Laser Torch Lights actually has played the biggest roll in me finding coons compared the past. Ive had multiple people say that is the best coon finding light they ever seen.

But Hey , we all know sometimes they just wont look even if they are there.

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Coons

I'm not that great at finding them either, I hunt with a 67 year old man that sometimes I think he makes coons just appear he's the best I have ever seen at finding them.

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It's funny...ever notice how no one makes a "possum squaller" no skunk squallers either, to make one run out of the hole!!!I never have any problems whatsoever finding possums in a tree, guaranteed to see every one of them and both of them if it's a nite hunt!!! I don't even have to see the skunk.
It's like the mail...checks always get lost, but they have never once, not a single time ever failed to deliver a bill. I also noticed that it takes a check about 6 days to get here from the next state away, but somehow a bill from Cambodia is always overnight!!!! Big bills are same day air!!!

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ongplott, you're not the only one having a problem finding a coon, from what I've seen so are a lot of dogs.

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ongplott, you're not the only one having a problem finding a coon, from what I've seen so are a lot of dogs.


I don't think my dog is slicking. With the leaves off he was accurate. When he trees in a tree where I can see the whole tree, the coon is there, however, these giant trees that I can't shine very well I don't see the coon too often. Im saying that even in the small trees I can easily miss one, so in these jumbo trees where I can only shine from right at the base I think its very easy to miss them. Heck even with the leaves off there were a few I really overlooked. I can't really tell if you were reassuring me or sarcastically jabbing so I just kind of answered for both. haha

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ongplott, I wasn't talking about you, just coonhounds in general.

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That's kind of what I thought but I couldn't tell

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I don't think my dog is slicking. With the leaves off he was accurate. When he trees in a tree where I can see the whole tree, the coon is there, however, these giant trees that I can't shine very well I don't see the coon too often. Im saying that even in the small trees I can easily miss one, so in these jumbo trees where I can only shine from right at the base I think its very easy to miss them. Heck even with the leaves off there were a few I really overlooked. I can't really tell if you were reassuring me or sarcastically jabbing so I just kind of answered for both. haha


Some people are good at it and some are not. How are you doing it?

I can normally find one but make no mistake the size of the tree doesn't matter. If he doesn't look or his outline is broken up from leafs they are difficult to find.

My gyp treed a tree that wasn't 7 foot tall, I was going to be a real smart alack and bend the tree over to show her nothing was in it. When I did I got a face full of angry coon. So don't think because the tree is little it should be easy to find.

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Some people are good at it and some are not. How are you doing it?

I can normally find one but make no mistake the size of the tree doesn't matter. If he doesn't look or his outline is broken up from leafs they are difficult to find.

My gyp treed a tree that wasn't 7 foot tall, I was going to be a real smart alack and bend the tree over to show her nothing was in it. When I did I got a face full of angry coon. So don't think because the tree is little it should be easy to find.



I just have two questions MIke:

1. That didn't happen last week when you were up this way did it??? We treed somebodies pet chimp up that way years ago, no B.S.

2. You didn't by any chance get it on video to share??????

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No it was here and no video but it would have been funny.He ran across my shoulder and down my back. Scratched the crap out of the side of my face. Felt like a real dummy. The dog never even seen it. When I walked up to the tree she was jumping high enough her head was going over the top of where the coon was.

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Sounds like something that would happen to me!!!! That is funny.

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Some people are good at it and some are not. How are you doing it?

I can normally find one but make no mistake the size of the tree doesn't matter. If he doesn't look or his outline is broken up from leafs they are difficult to find.

My gyp treed a tree that wasn't 7 foot tall, I was going to be a real smart alack and bend the tree over to show her nothing was in it. When I did I got a face full of angry coon. So don't think because the tree is little it should be easy to find.



The first thing I do if I can. Which I rarely can. Is shine a light from a distance on low and hope the coon looks. I then go in and proceed to turn on the bright light and search what I can. Often tInes I can only shine from the base of the tree because of other trees obstructing. I try to find each limb and follow it out but I'm noreally only able to see half a limb. I'll once or twice shut off my light and get quiet then flick on the low light and hope it will look. I will clap bUT they have never looked at that even though I can see them. Unless the coon is sitting in the pocket where all limbs come together halfway up I don't feel like I have a chance in hell of seeing it. I just can't hardly shine the tree. If they don't look. It's not happening.

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Biggest thing I've found with me is that accuracy promotes accuracy. A dog I trust makes me way better at finding coon or squirrel in difficult trees because I know they're there.

Young dogs tend to miss more, and when I'm hunting them with leaves on, I know for a fact, that so do I. I'm not willing to spend the time and scrutiny if I'm not convinced they're right, plus I don't want to let them keep on treeing if they indeed are not right.

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Biggest thing I've found with me is that accuracy promotes accuracy. A dog I trust makes me way better at finding coon or squirrel in difficult trees because I know they're there.

Young dogs tend to miss more, and when I'm hunting them with leaves on, I know for a fact, that so do I. I'm not willing to spend the time and scrutiny if I'm not convinced they're right, plus I don't want to let them keep on treeing if they indeed are not right.



I agree. I have had him abut a month and a half. Again. In a tree were I can see everyyhing. The coon is there. He was accurate with the leaves off. I have a really tough time finding coon in small trees. I feel lost in the big oak trees. I honestly don't think I cover much over half the tree. And coons can hide from me very easily. I can see him on my garmin making a small circle checking himself. I'm confident in my dog. I'm not confident in my ability to find them if they don't look. Which even when I find them. Only 2 out 17 or 18 that i have seen actually looked.

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I would stay there all night and shine because I know there's one there. But I get hot. He gets hot. And I really don't feel I can shine anymore of the tree. It's just too obstructed or thick.

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I saw a coon climb a tree last night. Once it climbed, I could not find it again. I shined for ten minutes without ever seeing it again.

I turned a cage coon loose a few years ago in broad daylight. Watched it climb. Never saw it again.

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I saw a coon climb a tree last night. Once it climbed, I could not find it again. I shined for ten minutes without ever seeing it again.

I turned a cage coon loose a few years ago in broad daylight. Watched it climb. Never saw it again.



From a pretty new coon hunters point of view. I can't believe how easily a coon can hide and be missed in a tree. The first time I ever went. Leaves off. I thought. Holy crap. I hardly saw that thing and it was on a totally bare limb. Wished coons were as easy to see as opossums are. When I went a few years ago I always found the opossums. On the tiny tree on the first limb lol.

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I would spend more time with the low light. Cover every opening you can find with a low light before you ever go to high. Pulling vines works well if you have someone with you. The main thing is keep your light low. Sometimes he will not look and then there he is. I always circle a tree twice before I use a bright light.

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