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treedog2345
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I agree that a pups early life goes as far if not fsrther than blood backing it. Used to be they breed brood gyps to studs and got good dogs gyps that were never in a hunt wonder why it has changed? And as far as breeding to a world ch why run to him just becouse he won why not run to his daddy or his grand daddy or find something off of his momma

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If a dog man or woman have an eye for a good dog and have established a top line of hunting dogs over the years which have been line bred and inbred for 5 or 6 generations...and they are consistently producing good pups and each litter seems to always have a couple of outstanding dogs...

So why is it that he or she can do this that many will say it canít be done?

It is probably just normal for these people because he or she has an established line of dogs...and they only breed within their family of dogs most of the time...also they only breed the very best within that family...

The very best start well and donít need to be fed lots of tracks to make a good dog...to take that dog to his highest potential then hunt them more...thatís how top athletes do it to stay on top...they donít waste their time on a dud...

If you have to feed lots of tracks or wait 12 months before the pup hunts then we should expect the same from the offspring...at least we would be gravitating in that direction...

Getting back to the family of top producing dogs within their bloodline...one male wins a world championship and now being bred to many females...when bred within his family he produces a high percentage of good dogs...but when bred to many different females from many different bloodlines, then what would the success rate be? The percentages do not take into account the pups that arenít given a chance or those pups that just got ruined by lack of experience from the new owner...

The dog man or woman besides breeding the best dogs know how to choose a pup as well as how to train it...and they donít own rose colored glasses otherwise they wouldnít consistently produce good dogs...

Bruce, in this post is probably part of the answer to why every famous dog had followers...and just as many critiques...

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If a dog man or woman have an eye for a good dog and have established a top line of hunting dogs over the years which have been line bred and inbred for 5 or 6 generations...and they are consistently producing good pups and each litter seems to always have a couple of outstanding dogs...

So why is it that he or she can do this that many will say it canít be done?

It is probably just normal for these people because he or she has an established line of dogs...and they only breed within their family of dogs most of the time...also they only breed the very best within that family...

The very best start well and donít need to be fed lots of tracks to make a good dog...to take that dog to his highest potential then hunt them more...thatís how top athletes do it to stay on top...the organization does not waste their time on average players...

If you have to feed lots of tracks or wait 12 months before the pup hunts then we should expect the same from the offspring...at least we would be gravitating in that direction...

Getting back to the family of top producing dogs within their bloodline...one male wins a world championship and now there is a long line of females waiting to be bred to this world champion...when he is bred within his family he produces a high percentage of good dogs...but when bred to many different females from many different bloodlines, then what would the success rate be? The percentages do not take into account the pups that arenít given a chance or those pups that just got ruined by lack of experience from the new owner...the percentages of good pups just dropped off drastically...

The dog man or woman besides breeding the best dogs know how to choose a pup as well as how to train it...and they donít own rose colored glasses otherwise they wouldnít consistently produce good dogs...

Bruce, in this post is probably part of the answer to why every famous dog had followers...and just as many critiques...

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Enjoyed reading everyone's comments. What got me thinking is I enjoy reading some of the post on here, Facebook and other places on the web. I googled some of the very popular hounds of the past and I just found it amusing at the people that just had to say negative things about the foundation dogs of all our breeds.

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Itís easy to mix up the fact thereís world class advertising on hounds then thereís world class winning coonhounds.
Far to often people will hunt with the advertised dog and expect to see the coonhound. It rarely happens.

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wart
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I guess I misread the post some I was thinking you could find pups etc closer to home out of those dogs and parents etc also how many of those 1995 studs were hunted and capable of winning a major event the saddest part is this sport is not a shadow of what it was in 95 because of lost hunting areas The bottom line most of today's dogs are full of those dogs in there pedigree

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Originally posted by Reuben
Shouldnít a winner be the best representative of excellent hunting dogs?

If the winner cannot be a good hunting dog to be a winner...it seems to me if you breed a winner to a top hunting dog then it would be like breeding two different breed of dogs...



Many of the existing gun dog breeds today, in my opinion, have been ďrebuiltĒ or ďmanipulatedĒ to become winners in competitions regulated by rules that donít necessarily reflect what most hunters want in a gun dog.

Not saying thereís anything wrong with that if itís a persons choice. I believe it does make it more difficult for a person to find a pleasure dog for hunting when seeking a pup from several generations of dogs built by design to compete in trials. Now add in the money trials and you can see the hand writing on the wall!

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Yes Mr Dan you are correct I remember my neighbor complaining 30 years ago about bird hunters wanting field trail stuff but I think natural ability trumps everything you can train them different ways the real problem for a pleasure hunted is the pups are now very independent and won't pack alot

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