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Tim Green
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Old Semen and the modern day female

Thought provoking and just wondering some opinions:

The quest to get that top bred coondog is always out front like the carrot on a stick. I have some old semen from several hounds and really like making certain crosses with it. I feel I have higher quality females, but tonight I was thinking.....using the semen from the dogs of past on modern day females may be some of the problems. We all have said the female holds more in regards to the outcome of the pup....well, there isn’t any more

Lockdown Lassies
Night Heat Dixie
Stylish Anna
Stylish Abby
Rock River Lady
Queen

And so on.....has the females of today changed? I had someone ask me about Arkansas River Crank tonight...LIPPER x Spring Creek Rock bred on the bottom and it got me to thinking.....Do we really have those good females today to even give that old semen a chance. It just seems that may be something we are overlooking. Obviously we can’t go back and get the old females, but maybe we can breed better today.

Just a thought provoking post

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Those famous females have granddaughters it will still work. But a true reproducing male does not have to have select females bred to him. Sackett junior had 4000 pups. On a 10 pup average I am sure those 400 females were not all top reproducers. But he left his mark with the best.



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The hardest thing in breeding coon hounds is finding top notch females that are balanced, we started 4 years ago breeding for just that, and are now sitting in a pretty good place to have females to breed to our males that we are proud of.
You can collect the male studs to last for years, but the female is a different story, you have to breed, raise,train and keep those girls around to keep a line going.

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Thank you for all the work you are doing for the Walker Breed. It takes a Breeder like yourself to keep the Walker Breed on top, I think to many Walker folks have become complacent in their breeding efforts. I love a TOP coon dog, but Walkers are my favorite breed. Dave

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quote:
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Those famous females have granddaughters it will still work. But a true reproducing male does not have to have select females bred to him. Sackett junior had 4000 pups. On a 10 pup average I am sure those 400 females were not all top reproducers. But he left his mark with the best.



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I get it....and like Conrad, I have collected a nice stable of foundation females to support what I’m doing.

BTW: SACKETT Jr #’s are.

2,072 produced
1,806 registered
410 GRNTCHs/NTCHs
19.79%


Pretty impressive to say the least.

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ANOTHER REPRODUCER

GRNTCH SCH REDNECK MAFIA

......."For a dog with only 139 pups he has as of today (01/23/2020) 41 titled offspring of NITECH, GRNITECH and a NGRNCH for a production of titled offspring of 29.496% when we quit breeding him he was UKC's #1 reproducer on the current list with the highest of any breed at just over 20% he also produced multiple State Champions, $ State leaders and $ State Champions, and placers in just about every major hunt in various kennel clubs. His mark on the Walker breed as a backyard coondog that was never advertised will continue on through his offspring and theirs.".......

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quote:
Originally posted by Tim Green
I get it....and like Conrad, I have collected a nice stable of foundation females to support what I’m doing.

BTW: SACKETT Jr #’s are.

2,072 produced
1,806 registered
410 GRNTCHs/NTCHs
19.79%


Pretty impressive to say the least.




Ooooooops I guess I was thinking rat attack he is number one on the list now.


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Rat Attack sure "left his mark on the breed".

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Rat Attack sure "left his mark on the breed".


Tree dogs for beginners don’t even have to hunt them in the winter to win.



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If I’m building a racing coonhound that competes on the big track, I’ll probably go with this formula

1.Nailor for the body and classy looks
2. Lipper for the loud mouth
3. Gonna put a Harry engine under the hood to give’ em another gear and go hard
4. Rat Attack to put the brakes on them to make them stop and look up

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Tim you must have never hunted with Nailor he would defiantly take you hunting and could flat run a deer so no harry needed

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Tim you must have never hunted with Nailor he would defiantly take you hunting and could flat run a deer so no harry needed


LoL. I am definitely a Nailor fan through and through. Actually owned a semen male and now a grandson. Being so close to Mr T Ball, I have to have a shot of Harry in there. Lol.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tim Green
If I’m building a racing coonhound that competes on the big track, I’ll probably go with this formula

1.Nailor for the body and classy looks
2. Lipper for the loud mouth
3. Gonna put a Harry engine under the hood to give’ em another gear and go hard
4. Rat Attack to put the brakes on them to make them stop and look up



Better hire a professional driver....and make sure they have on a fire suit when you hit the wall.....when you hit, not IF. Drive it like you stole it!

Best of luck,
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Better hire a professional driver....and make sure they have on a fire suit when you hit the wall.....when you hit, not IF. Drive it like you stole it!

Best of luck,
GES



GES,

You’re right. Now that I’m older and all broke up....I enjoy the owner/breeder side and watching the young drivers run the race. I’m currently linked up with the #3 PKC Youth handler in the Nation; #1 in Texas. It is a blast. Just put them behind a fast car and watch’em go.

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I love what you are doing with your youth hunter. Getting our youth involved is the future of our sport, watching her progress and seeing her win hunts has to be just as much fun as doing it yourself. You are helping to create memories that will last for her lifetime, you can not put a price on that. Good luck. Dave

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Tim, Good job with the youth 👍🏼
And good luck on the breeding endeavor, that will be interesting.

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