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Richard, I will try and say this in ENGLISH. I won't use any fancy words like CLOUDY. The advisor compliments the rules on the back of the score card. It explains the ones that need explaining. The advisor gives you the answers you need to properly score. UKC spends time giving the answers to rules so everyone can understand them. But then the advisor, not made available to the public unless you take the Coon Hound Bloodlines or purchase one that may be outdated by the time you get it.

Put that information on line in real time and a step in the right direction has been taken. All the work and effort that UKC puts into it can pay off even more.

We all talk about the young people learning the rules. I hope you understand that the majority of young people use nothing but their SMART PHONES for everything, from talking, texting and web browsing to watching TV. If want young people to learn what is going on it better be on the web and your web page better be MOBILE FRIENDLY.

Richard do you get the picture now? Why in the heck can't you understand english and want to help make things better for everyone. Instead of turning every word someone writes into your little playground. Put the Advisor on the Web. Is that plain english enough.
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Richard can you explain to me how I would get one. And can you tell me how often I would have to get one to stay current with the rules. Please don't tell me I have to put a stamp on something and mail it in. I still know what a stamp is. Most of the younger generation has never purchased a stamp. Not saying anything against them for that. The world is changing and UKC needs to change also.

Let me ask you a couple more questions. Does UKC send one out in a hunt packet to the clubs? Does UKC send one out to all Master of Hounds?

All those things would help.

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I'm hesitant to participate in this friendly, little war of words but I think it is worth mentioning that the Advisor book IS NOT currently available. It is out of print. I feel fortunate to have two copies of both editions, one at home and one in the truck. I've been accused of being a "know it all" a few times and having both editions is required equipment for all basic message board know it all's. I think Richard had 3....

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Do you really think that just making the Advisor readily available or more easily obtainable will fix everything? The rule book can be picked up anywhere/everywhere. They are written on the back of every scorecard. And yet when Allen posts a rules poll, 50% of the people don't know the rule? Why is that? Apparantly they don't read the rules or their personal bias keeps them from understanding them. I don't have a Coonhound Advisor and have never read one. And yet, I know most of the rules and UKC's official interpretation of them. I do actually reread my rulebook occasionally since my old wore out brain/memory fails me a lot lately. I also keep up with any changes by checking the interweb. I also read the Coonhound Advisor column in the magazine and noticed a while back that they are putting it on the interweb each month now.
I would also like to apologize if I have offended you by not agreeing with you on everything and expressing my personal opiinion on topics. I do realize that I am usually wrong but that doesn't stop me. So, for that I apologize.

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Richard you either don't know them good as you think you do or you are really , really honest because you sure get beat a lot just sayen.



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Tarbaby, I know them but I don't know how to use them. Is that your way of calling me a big loser? When you hunt Redbones you get used to getting beat a lot. It just makes it sweeter when you do get a win.

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My record ain't so good either and I even know how to cheat lol. Just can't make myself do it. Night before last I got so hot I thought I was going to yak but Corey is 30 yrs old and he wasn't doing good either I swore off that spot and put it on my list till dead winter sure wish you were there to enjoy it with us lol.



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https://www.ukcdogs.com/coonhound-news?view=recent

Here is the link to the advisor online-- above---its on the right side of the page, click on one and there is more in each date.
then at the bottom of the page click again for older post.
they begin in May of 2016--anything older is in the paperback advisor if you can find one

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quote:
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Do you really think that just making the Advisor readily available or more easily obtainable will fix everything?


No it sure won't but It will help the ones that want to learn. It won't help the ones that "think" they already know because they won't read it and they won't listen even if you read it to them. That's the way they've been doing it and they will most likely continue. And whoever said it's always the one that knows the rules and interpretations the best are the ones that get labeled the cheats or aholes are 100% right. Go figure....

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No it sure won't but It will help the ones that want to learn. It won't help the ones that "think" they already know because they won't read it and they won't listen even if you read it to them. That's the way they've been doing it and they will most likely continue. And whoever said it's always the one that knows the rules and interpretations the best are the ones that get labeled the cheats or aholes are 100% right. Go figure....




Donnie answer this question how many advisor books do the $$$$ kc's have to explain their rules and they hunt for 1000's of dollars if you are not having to call ukc on Monday to straighten things out you must be doing just a little something right.


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Richard you, Gene hicks, his handlers and several around you gave plenty of lessons back in the day.

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Donnie answer this question how many advisor books do the $$$$ kc's have to explain their rules and they hunt for 1000's of dollars if you are not having to call ukc on Monday to straighten things out you must be doing just a little something right.


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They have someone on standby (a phone call away) 24 hours 7 days a week!

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I was just getting started " back in the day". But they taught me a lot. PKC has a 3 member panel at their hunts to answer questions and explain the rules to anyone that has a question.

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They have someone on standby (a phone call away) 24 hours 7 days a week!


That's right. And if the wording on a rule needs tweaked' to clarify it better or changed completely it gets done NOW not wait for three years for whoever it is that keeps Ukc's rules from being reworded in the slightest way so they could make more sense.

It's UKC's rules Allen or the powers to be SHOULD be able to change them at THEIR discretion. That last deal a couple years ago where basically nothing got changed that everybody wanted, including the boss man, sold me on the fact there's something wrong with the current system.

Tar I've watched you spinning and backpedaling thru enough rules questions on here that I'm not sure how ya keep the peace down there and it really doesn't concern me much but just because you've been doing something since Christ was in preschool doesn't necessarily mean you're right. But it's your story my friend....tell it anyway you want !!!

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Donnie answer this question how many advisor books do the $$$$ kc's have to explain their rules and they hunt for 1000's of dollars if you are not having to call ukc on Monday to straighten things out you must be doing just a little something right.


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Thats because you can call them right then, you dont have to wait till Monday. I have set on several panels and heard a bunch more, you will get a different answer to the exact same question 50% of the time. GO BY THE RULES IN BLACK AND WHITE ON THE BACK OF THE CARD! The adviser is just a explanation of those rules, absolutely nothing contradicting them. If anyone thinks it does its because them and UKC are reading it different. UKC is the only one that counts. I've only had one question come back on a UKC cast. They ruled against me on a vote, I took it to the master of hounds and won the question. Never had a problem other than that. The thing is the rule was simple and in black and white but they still wanted to minus me, So no matter what you know or how simple its written out some people just cant understand plain English.

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As far as I am concerned the advisor is a very nice, useless publication to have on hand. If you don't have it in the woods with you on a cast, it's kind of hard to use it to settle a question. The rules are printed on the back of the card for a reason, read them, apply them and move on. If you don't understand a rule or call put a question on it and take it back to the MOH. If you can't understand the rules on the card, how can I trust you to understand what they put in the Advisor.

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That's right. And if the wording on a rule needs tweaked' to clarify it better or changed completely it gets done NOW not wait for three years for whoever it is that keeps Ukc's rules from being reworded in the slightest way so they could make more sense.

It's UKC's rules Allen or the powers to be SHOULD be able to change them at THEIR discretion. That last deal a couple years ago where basically nothing got changed that everybody wanted, including the boss man, sold me on the fact there's something wrong with the current system.

Tar I've watched you spinning and backpedaling thru enough rules questions on here that I'm not sure how ya keep the peace down there and it really doesn't concern me much but just because you've been doing something since Christ was in preschool doesn't necessarily mean you're right. But it's your story my friend....tell it anyway you want !!!




I ain't back peddled on crap Donnie I quote the rules right off the back of the card just like you would in the woods. Here is an exzample if you don't write the time on that card and a cast comes in with a question they say the judge shorted them on time how in the crap am I supposed to rule on it. Then you do one of two things send them back out to hunt that time or if they don't agree scratch them believe me I know the rules I just try and show them where the loopholes are and I don't need a 25yr old smart Alec book worm jerking my chain at 2:00 in the morning when I been setting there 12 hrs for free. We don't have problems down here because we don't allow it but maybe you could do it better.


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As far as I am concerned the advisor is a very nice, useless publication to have on hand. If you don't have it in the woods with you on a cast, it's kind of hard to use it to settle a question. The rules are printed on the back of the card for a reason, read them, apply them and move on. If you don't understand a rule or call put a question on it and take it back to the MOH. If you can't understand the rules on the card, how can I trust you to understand what they put in the Advisor.


Not useless at all, it is a learning tool. If you have read it and know what it says. If the day ever comes when you have to question something, the MOH gets it wrong and its important enough to you. Then you will know how UKC will rule on it buy whats in the advisor. Thats what its for.

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I think the very first daybuet of the advisor started at the world hunt when it was in Louisiana does anybody remember what it was about ?




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I ain't back peddled on crap Donnie I quote the rules right off the back of the card just like you would in the woods. Here is an exzample if you don't write the time on that card and a cast comes in with a question they say the judge shorted them on time how in the crap am I supposed to rule on it. Then you do one of two things send them back out to hunt that time or if they don't agree scratch them believe me I know the rules I just try and show them where the loopholes are and I don't need a 25yr old smart Alec book worm jerking my chain at 2:00 in the morning when I been setting there 12 hrs for free. We don't have problems down here because we don't allow it but maybe you could do it better.


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How would the judge writing it down prove that's what they hunted? If you have three handlers telling you the judge shorted them 15 min, would you rule different on it if it was or wasn't written down? I would think you would go with the three handlers either way.

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I remember the problem but it was out long before that.

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At least if they had the time outs and minutes used I would have something to look at buuuut until you have set behind that table as many of us have down here have done for years you just won't understand it's a thankless job that got to where nobody wants to do it anymore and when you have to you don't want it micromanaged making it harder!! I don't see any young people stepping up to take our places Joey I want to hunt now I worked all my life to be able to. I don't feel guilty anymore if a club schedule a hunt and don't have nobody to run it I done my time and I can feel good about knowing all the hunts I officiated never ever was there a time that ukc ever had to be called on Monday to get it straitened out.



Plus you know I am hard headed lol.


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How would the judge writing it down prove that's what they hunted? If you have three handlers telling you the judge shorted them 15 min, would you rule different on it if it was or wasn't written down? I would think you would go with the three handlers either way.




What if it's a two to two buddy boy vote ?


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What if it's a two to two buddy boy vote ?


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If your the MOH you picked the judge because he is trustworthy, Right? Then on a 2 to 2 you go with the judge. You picked him. If the time is written or not still makes no difference. He can wright he used 120 but it doesn't make it true.

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