HistoryNutt
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Re: Spring Creek Rock-FR Dan and Dan Jr. crosses
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Originally posted by Robert Starke
Those crosses worked well. Share with us some of your experiences breeding and raising some very nice Walkers.
Good Hunting,
Robert
In my mind Finley River Chief was and is the greatest producer in the Treeing Walker Breed. There are a lot of things involved for me to make that statement. But with some time and effort I believe people would be surprised as to how much Finley River Chief touches the different so called strains.
Chief wasn't an accident. His father and mother were two of the best hounds of their day. I have seen people say Chief was the only thing one or both of them produced as far as making a name. That wasn't really the case. Both hounds produced many fine hounds. But when they came together history was made.
They were coondogs that were out of coondogs that could tree a rough coon and had a very cold nose. They weren't accidents.
If you take Finley River Chief, Shetler's Sonny Boy and Bixler's Supreme Sally and research you will find that this line touchs more lines then you may realize. It doesn't just have to be through Chief for the name of Sonny Boy or Sally to show up.
I have heard people say the only thing Sally produced was Finley River Chief so it must have been a lucky roll of the dice. People who make statements like that haven't done their homework on the history of this breed.
Now to the crossing of some of these hounds. I and a lot of other people hold this belief. Mear's Finley River Dan was the best reproducing son of Finley River Chief. Spring Creek Rock was the best reproducing Grand Son of Finley River Chief. Monroe's Finley River Joe was the type of hound a lot of people thought about when they thought about the good traits of the Finley River Hounds.
I found in my experience when you crossed the offspring of Finley River Dan, Spring Creek Rock, and Finley River Joe that you would get coonhounds that looked pretty good also.
I also felt like Spring Creek Radar was one of the best reproducing sons of Rock. Take Radar for example. He was out of Spring Creek Rock, but on his mother's side he also went back to Mear's Finley River Dan and Claxton's Finley River Spot.
One of the best crosses in its day was the cross of McCallister's Finley River Banjo and Kalal's Minnesota Cookie. Banjo was one of the hot studs of his day. His father Mear's Finley River Sonny was out of Mear's Finley River Dan and a female who was a grand daughter of Finley River Chief.
When people talked about what Cookie was out of you always heard Finley River Dan Jr. You hardly ever heard someone mention the other dogs in her pedigree. But Cookie's mother was out of Flat Branch Joker and Roger's Missouri Valley Joy.
Joker was a brother to Monroe's Little Chief and Godwin's Jolly. They were out of Finley River Chief and Godwin's Little Jewel who was out of Banjo II.
Joy was a sister to Ky River Jill, Finley River Joe's mother. Jly and Jill were out of Finley River Buck who was a grandson of Finley River Chief.
Over and over again if you follow these dogs back far enough you will see how much Finley River Chief or his line was a part of some of these so called other strains.
The cross that produced Spring Creek Max, Spring Creek Rocky and others was a combination of this line of Finley River Bred Hounds. My Finisher Bit female was out of my Cher female and Gann's Finisher. Of course Finisher was out of Finley River Chief. Don't anyone think that Gann's Finisher wasn't a coon dog. He could and would tree a rough coon and in my mind he would tree a rougher coon then Beanblossom Buck.
I bred Bit to my Patch dog who was out of Monroe's Finley River Joe and my Patches female. We are talking Finley River here but I did have quite a bit of Mack Twain in my hounds. That was a hound a lot of people don't know about in this day but he did a lot to help with the foundation of the breed. He should be in the Hall Of Fame as shoud his grand pup, Hershberger's Texas Babe.
Patch and Bit produced my Polly female who I bred to Finley River Dan to get my Pearl female. I was lucky enough to get Pearl bred to Spring Creek Rock before he died. She was the last female bred to him before he died.
After being out of the sport so long I felt very lucky to find dogs that went back to my old dogs and Max was actually in the 4th generation plus in the pedigree a couple more times. They did a great job of continuing to breed these hounds the same way I was attempting to breed them. Spring Creek Rock going through a number of different hounds as was Finley River Dan and Finley River Joe.
They can still tree a rough coon, you don't get a lot of misses and they are coon dogs. The pup I have now goes back to Finley River Chief over 60 times. I am still working on carrying it out all the way.
There are still some people out there who have a high concentration of the Finley River Strain. It is in more hounds then many may realize.
Here is something for people to think about. I am not trying to take away from these other strains but facts are facts.
Table Rock Flying Hawk's grand mother is a half sister to Finley River Chief being out of Bixler's Supreme Sally.
Yadkin River Jeff goes back to Shetler's Sonny Boy on his top side through Tut's Tillie. On Jeff's bottom side he goes back to Shetler's Sonny Boy again through Tillie and also Jeff's Grandsire is out of a daughter of Finley River Chief.
Bear Creek Princess goes back to Chief on her mothers side with Chief being the grandsire of her mother. Bear Creek Princess father was Proters Melody Bill. Bill's father Buck Creek Rowdy was out of Finley River Chief's littermate sister.
Yadkin Tar Rattler not only goes back to Chief and Sonny Boy on his top side through Yadkin River Jeff but also on Rattler's bottom side he goes back to Sonny Boy also through Swan's Rock.
Nocturnal Nailor not only goes back to Chief and Sonny Boy through Rattler he goes back to Spring Creek Rock on his mother's side.
Rock River Sackett goes back to Chief and Sonny Boy through Yadkin River Jeff on both sides but also picks up Chief again through River Bend Flag on Sackett's bottom side and through Finley River Spike on Sackett's top side.
Rock River Sackett Jr. you get the times back to Chief and Sonny Boy through Sackett but also on Junior's mothers side he goes back to Chief three times through Can Win Jude and 3 more times through Spring Creek Rock, Gann's Finisher and Finley RIver Buck. I haven't even carried this out all the way yet.
I will put more down at a later time but wanted to put down a few of the hounds that go back to Finley River Chief or his line that people may not realize.
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