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In theory sombody says they got some seman out of ole world champion jabber jaws they have had for years if they don't put the pups in any programs like the PP they can keep pumping out pups out of ole jabber jaws unchecked right without being DNA I know when we were studding a certain dog 2 were already a Grntch off the same litter were supposedly off anouther stud and when DNA came back they were out of our dog are there random DNA test when a dog has been dead 25 yrs plus and keeps cranking out pups?

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If the DNA of the sire is not done then you can't tell who the pups are out of. So if the DNA of the sire of the stud that the frozen semen is from was not profiled then you don't really know who the frozen semen was from. You have to have a reference point to start from. With the DNA bank, going forward it is possible to tell who a pup's sure is. But going backwards is next to impossible.
In other words, you can tell if a pup is out of the frozen semen but you can't tell who the frozen semen is out of.

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I'm surprised that UKC hasn't required "frozen semen" be "DNA"
certified as belonging to said sire's when a litter is produced useing frozen .

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What Richard said.

If that old World Champion was DNA'd then those semen pups could be checked against the DNA of Champ and it would verify if the semen is what it's supposed to be. Most of the world champs of the modern era are DNA'd. Not sure how far back you're going with this one.

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Every 5 yrs like majic they keep finding some more to appeal to a new customer base after a dog has sired 6000 pups my nose smells somthing fishey rattler had the same rumor but only had a 1000 pups I can swallow that a little easyer plus I seen him get bred with my own eyes. Also would a littermate brouther DNA the same.

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Oh my goodness.... another conspiracy theory.

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Oh my goodness.... another conspiracy theory.

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.... the longer it goes the less hardware I see them haul home least the ones out of rattler......

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I wonder how much hardware those old dogs would be able to haul home against the high powered dogs of today?

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Richard that's a trick question and you know it lol. The reason dogs have changed is because of the elimation style hunts and shorter hunting periods they don't have to do as much to win they just got to do stuff to keep the other dogs from beating them ( keeping you on the leash as much as possible) back in the day if a dog made a habit of being a mile deep with a coon every drop and seen coons setting up behind him he was a gonner. These dogs of today with no leash lock would be culled after hunting with the back in the day dogs they would be so embarrassed !!

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Did they not have the leash lock rule back then? Didn't they change the rule to say that all dogs must be treed before you are leashlocked? I don't understand the problem?

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Every 5 yrs like majic they keep finding some more to appeal to a new customer base after a dog has sired 6000 pups my nose smells somthing fishey rattler had the same rumor but only had a 1000 pups I can swallow that a little easyer plus I seen him get bred with my own eyes. Also would a littermate brouther DNA the same.

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Richard watch the play by plays dogs A,B,C,D struck off the snap tracks breaking down dogs are deep 4 different directions get treed who ever has more strike points maybe a coon maybe not wins lol. Unacceptable back in the day dogs competed against each other not the clock but you know that right lol. Dogs got the same dog in its pedigree 20 times several of those times might of been anouther dog just sayen 6000 pups must have had a milking machine hooked up to him poor thing.

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Each collection can produce a bunch of straws. Each straw can produce a litter of pups. That is one of the advantages of using frozen semen. How much experience have you had with frozen semen? Are you only looking at the 6,000 pup figure and thinking,"that can't be true".

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Was rattler dna'd ?

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Depends on how many years that dogs been dead and back when it was drawn was our collection and storage methods as good as they are now 30 yrs ago I was fertile as a turtle too but I don't think I could muster up 6000 kids you got to sleep somtime.


There is a rest of the story you get 10 yrs down the road you still keep seeing them coming up with seman tar ain't tupid and I don't like the fact it it is flaunted like people don't know the difference.

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Was rattler dna'd ?

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Is that a yes lol ? The papers on the pups born after he was DNA profiled would say if he was or not wouldn't they. Do they ?

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You would have to ask the Odessey man I don't know I haven't had one in years I don't even know if they was DNA back then hearin leis our problem I just question sombody having that much for sight to put up an endless supply of seman up on one dog everybody says there ain't no more then yippee about every 5 years they dig some up its a miracle then you don't here about no titles won not chit then here we go again.



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Really who knows? You can guess, listen to rumors and all of the rest of the BS all you want and the end of the day that's all it is. Are all of them his? Maybe or maybe not. I have heard rumors like that about every heavy bred stud that's ever lived, But your right it starts to get fishy after a while. It happens with live studs. Some accidents some who knows? Homer wasn't out of who they thought he was at first, some of Wild Casey's pups turned out to be wild cards. I seen with my own two eyes when I was a teen hundreds of dogs papers swapped by all the old dog traders that used to be around. The chances of a dogs ped being correct for several generations probably is not as great as most people think.

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Joey you are 110% right my point is we pay for somthing top dollar and have to have it DNA to be in the programs and a mans gut feeling tells him without the rumors that the whole system can be manipulated by people to make a $$$$ are we buying real expensive Nikie shoes or cheap nock offs that never measure up on sombody else's word I am just not seeing the proof that it is worth what people are paying most are to inexperienced to know the difference till their money is gone and nothing to show for it I was right here in the middle of the all grand thing it never lived up to all the hype either but they could pace, bark, and smear dookie good.

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You would have to ask the Odessey man I don't know I haven't had one in years I don't even know if they was DNA back then hearin leis our problem I just question sombody having that much for sight to put up an endless supply of seman up on one dog everybody says there ain't no more then yippee about every 5 years they dig some up its a miracle then you don't here about no titles won not chit then here we go again.



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