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Registered: Jan 2011
Location: Canton, Ohio
Originally posted by Rip
Allen has clearly stated even in the post you posted the dog doesn't need to show any intrest in the tree to be considered "at" the tree.
Yes "at" the tree is the judgment in this equation. Is it 10 yards? 10 feet? You have to be there to decide but if the dog comes in there is no choice it must be handled and it is scored depending on what the other dogs have in the tree.
Think about it like this, if you used your definition of having to be ON the tree to be considered "at" the tree then every dog that was not scored to be treeing satisfactorily would have to be left loose to disrupt or do whatever they want. You can't have dogs running everywhere while you are trying to score a tree. If they are there then you have no choice but to handle them by the rules because it says all dogs "at" the tree must be handled.
Like Allen said even in what you quoted they do not have to show treed or show intrest in the tree to be considered "at" the tree just if they are in the area.
Would you want someone that has a loose tree dog to just be able to say "no I'm not handling my dog" because they are not belly up on the wood and them go over 30 feet and tree a coon on you that your dog had no chance to tree?
Heck using the definition that they have to show treed to be at the tree I would never handle a dog that came in late nor that was loose I would just claim that we need to see what it will do.
We can't do that. If they are there they need to be handled.
But yes "at" the tree is the only judgment in this whole equation. If they are "at" the tree the rules are clear you must handle them.
Depends on what you as a judge say is "at" the tree.
As for me, I am very consistent if it is there it is handled no matter whos dog it is or when it gets there.
I will say it again .. same scenario... The actions of the dog, had the dog been treed there before the 5 minutes, would you plus it up if coon seen? Afterall.. you want to minus it for coming into the tree... but not plus it for the same reason?? .... not coming to tree, just trailing through... Just another excuse by a judge to minus a dog that does not deserve it.
And so we are clear.. if a dog walks by a horse, doesn't bark it it, go to it or even look at it, but is in the vicinity if it, it is molesting livestock. . Just to make sure I get it right...
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