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Yes, eliminate the current rule and replace it with this proposal. 17 32.08%
No, keep the current rule where the dog is put on the card as split, regardless, and scored as such. 36 67.92%
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Allen / UKC
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Proposal 10 - Declaring Dog Treed After Tree is Closed.

10. Declaring Dog Treed After Tree is Closed.


• Call may be accepted but noted. If dog is on a closed tree when judge arrives; assign next available tree points and minus both strike and tree points regardless of how tree is scored.



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PROPOSAL 10: The current rule automatically assigns the handlers dog to a split tree regardless of anything. And if the dog ends up being on a closed tree, there’s a whole lot of minus to be had for the dog. If Proposal 7 passes, the potential for even more minus is even greater. Something to think about.

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Something to think about what if the handler knows his dog is on a closed tree but does not tree him.


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Something to think about what if the handler knows his dog is on a closed tree but does not tree him.


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The same thing they've always done. We've had a rule in place for that scenario that dates back to the glory days.

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yadkintar
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I am reading your rule what happens if he don’t tree him you going to leave both rules in.


Quote : call may be accepted !!!



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I am reading your rule what happens if he don’t tree him you going to leave both rules in.


Quote : call may be accepted !!!



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If the proposal passes, that proposal states what happens. If it doesn't pass, it stays as is now. Am I missing something, or not understanding your question?

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We talked about this before rule 4j and 4K contradict each other.



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We talked about this before rule 4j and 4K contradict each other.



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I'm confused as I don't see how they contradict each other. We might need to discuss this one on the phone so as not to steer the topic of this thread off to la-la-land.

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Ok

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Re: Proposal 10 - Declaring Dog Treed After Tree is Closed.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Allen / UKC
[B]10. Declaring Dog Treed After Tree is Closed.


• Call may be accepted but noted. If dog is on a closed tree when judge arrives; assign next available tree points and minus both strike and tree points regardless of how tree is scored.


IMO ...this is a ridiculous proposal... The only time this dog should get minused is if the tree is plussed.... This type of proposal only perpetuates the wood monster/leaf hounds.

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Re: Re: Proposal 10 - Declaring Dog Treed After Tree is Closed.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Allen / UKC
[B]10. Declaring Dog Treed After Tree is Closed.


• Call may be accepted but noted. If dog is on a closed tree when judge arrives; assign next available tree points and minus both strike and tree points regardless of how tree is scored.


IMO ...this is a ridiculous proposal... The only time this dog should get minused is if the tree is plussed.... This type of proposal only perpetuates the wood monster/leaf hounds.

What if tree is slick. Does dog get minus or deleted. Handler has plenty time to tree his dog. Dog deserves nothing but minus.

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It should stay the way it is! Minus the dog for not being split treed

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