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Dave Richards
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Cold nosed dog

The best way I have seen to test this, is when you have a dog that can run and I mean run a track that other dogs can not smell and tree that track and show you a coon. When dogs you know are pretty good coondogs can't smell the track and the dog runs and trees that track and shows you a coon, it must have a colder nose. Brains can't smell, it takes a nose to smell, ALL dogs are NOT equal in the nose department. One dog comes to mind , she would run and tree tracks that good dogs did not know existed and tree every track with a coon looking down, she was a registered walker dog and one of the best. Dave

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Catch a coon and turn it straight out of the trap and bring your dog back an hour later. Most will be surprised at what they find out. Then again some dogs will cast way out deep and alone and tree a squirrel or just fall treed on nothing and those people still wonít know any more about a dog than they ever will.
Do it in different temperatures and weather and youíll see thereís far more to trailing than meets the eye. The nose has far less to do with it than the mind. Todayís dogs donít have the mindset for cold trailing, they are bred like us. Impatient and with short attention spans. Blame whatever you wish, but itís a culmination of things all across the board. Competition rules have penalized cold trailers, loss of hunting area, our culture and the pace we live now, money incentives via titles and wins. And Iím sure I could name others.
Thereís a reason serious big game hunters donít use many competition bred coonhounds. No nose and slick treeing are at the top of every list I hear when talking to men all over the country.

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Just because a dog is barking doesnít mean it is trailing. The kcs award 100 points for the dog hat barks first and he only has to bark every 8 minutes not to get minused and when he runs under ole hot pop up Ricky a mile or so he gets 125 tree points they say he is cold nosed what yíall think ?


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Just because a dog is barking doesnít mean it is trailing. The kcs award 100 points for the dog hat barks first and he only has to bark every 8 minutes not to get minused and when he runs under ole hot pop up Ricky a mile or so he gets 125 tree points they say he is cold nosed what yíall think ?


Tar

I was at a hunt the other night. A good friend of mine drew out with a well known big money winner. He was so tickled he finally got the chance to hunt with him. I laugh , I said get ready to walk. They cut loose he struck in no sooner than the dog left their lights. He said a 45 min walk later he had a coon setting on the first limb. The coon on the first limb out in the wide open made him mad. I told him that dog has won thousands of dollars doing that. Real cold nose track dog, maybe, maybe not.By todayís standards heís a winner.

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Ahhhhhhh itís a game !! When I play monopoly I hide my money under the board to make everybody think I am broke then I buy up everything lol. These guys are playing a game because the rules allow it bravo , bravo !!



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Have another one for you Tar. I had two well know money winners on same cast one night. I knew I had to tree more coon to beat them. We each treed two coon a piece , they ended getting me on strick. One let his babbling stand out the other made it look good. What got me an made me laugh at the whole thing is them two were cut loose together, struck under min. They went 800 yards or so keeping their mouth open. Got to a gravel road , keeping their mouth open. One went left the other right. Both got treed little over 600 yds from each other. Both had a coon. The ones that can do it an make it look good the average man thanks them are some top notch hounds . Maybe they struck two coon, got to gravel road an split up. People will believe that over what really happened.

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If you go to the big dance you are going to have to dance with the same big boys at every dance. They have dogs that fit the loopholes in the rules to a tee !! They make their living at coonhunting that good ole boy stuff is worth about 25 cents. If we get the rule changes we ask for they will adapt. But those rules that will work better in ukc because you have to see a coon and keep your points a good ole cold nosed track moving accurate coondog will prevail because he will no longer be handcuffed with their nonsense now thatís just an old doggies opinion thatís laying on the couch typing this lol.


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Every one talking about treeing a coon the other dogs can't smell. I have seen dogs that never tree kitten coons and other dogs that tree plenty of them. Does that make cold nosed dogs if they will tree kittens and hot nosed if they won't?

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Outstanding Cold Nosed Trackdogs

There have never been very many top track dogs. I have more fingers on one hand than I've seen in 60 years. They run a cold track with their head up that other dogs cant smell very well. The snow tells the story and they are able to run a straight line instead of a crooked feeding coon track. After the outstanding track dog trees a couple coon the LONERS become pack dogs on the outstanding track dog as they know one when they see one better than most hunters. Their owners all have the same problem! They cant find a dog of the same level of ability to breed them too. Ken Risley

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Re: Outstanding Cold Nosed Trackdogs

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There have never been very many top track dogs. I have more fingers on one hand than I've seen in 60 years. They run a cold track with their head up that other dogs cant smell very well. The snow tells the story and they are able to run a straight line instead of a crooked feeding coon track. After the outstanding track dog trees a couple coon the LONERS become pack dogs on the outstanding track dog as they know one when they see one better than most hunters. Their owners all have the same problem! They cant find a dog of the same level of ability to breed them too. Ken Risley


Good post. Spot on!! Stepping away from the coon hounds a moment. Some of you fellas in WI, MI, upstate NY, VT, NH, Maine, Canada, etc. may run snow shoe hare. If you do or have in the past you know that there are many who in the summer think they have quite a hare hound. When the snow is cold and dry and the temps are in the single digits and below OįF many of those wind splitters on bare ground can't run a hare for half a circle while a good harehound with what we refer to as a big nose can make it look like a summer run! Good cold nosed track dogs have never been plentiful. They've always been hard to find. But it seems to me that it is getting harder than ever. I lay a good percentage of that to many people scrambling to breed to titled dogs having never seen the hound perform even once.

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Not hard to see that Ken and Dan have been around the block a time or two!

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Cold nose

Got a story for you guys me and Steve Wilson went over to Warren Arkansas one night for a comp hunt we was in a nitech cast we draw out 4 dogs we turn loose first drop sky strikes in 4 a 100 (wow that never happens ) well she gives me that bark and I nail her for 125 all the dogs are around her but never trees, side note I know Steveís blue tick named Emma I no she trees coon been with her a lot pleasure hunting now , the judge ask me how far out she is at that time all I had was a beep beep collar I said about 250 give or take a few yards well the 5 is up we walk In the other 3 dogs is still in the area trying to figure out the track shine the tree coon is balled up asleep 225+ for sky now do yíall think she has cold nose layup type dog

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BLOOD HOUND ,

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a cold nose dog does not run a cold track with its head in the air unless we must have a different opinion of a cold track to me a cold track is covered by dry leaves in the fall and unless that dog puts its nose down and you can hear the leaves being shuffled between bawls your hunting a hot nose dog same goes for layups my hot nose walker treed many layups where as my old blue dog ran cold tracks two totally different styles both real coon treeing machines both are dead but will never be forgotten as they both were coon treeing machines i've owned many that could tree a coon but none compare to these 2 special hounds

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Four dog cast about 30 minutes left in the hunt dog strikes for 100 the other three check her. Two never open and go the opposite direction, open for 75 and 50 and are making it sound good. Fourth dog finally opens once with the bawl mouth female after following her for a couple hundred yards. The first female is at 900 yards and still moving while the two that couldn't smell her track come treed at 300 the opposite direction. Slick. Fourth strike dog leaves the first female and comes in, he never smelled anything, he was just tracking ol bawl mouth. Well the ol girl comes treed at 1200 with the coon. Not any coon but the first one she opened on! A feed track that three dogs either couldn't or wouldn't work, at 1200 yards through creeks and laurel that we had to crawl through, with the coon. All in about 15 minutes track time, took us over an hour to get to her. Track dog.

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Catch a coon and turn it straight out of the trap and bring your dog back an hour later. Most will be surprised at what they find out. Then again some dogs will cast way out deep and alone and tree a squirrel or just fall treed on nothing and those people still wonít know any more about a dog than they ever will.
Do it in different temperatures and weather and youíll see thereís far more to trailing than meets the eye. The nose has far less to do with it than the mind. Todayís dogs donít have the mindset for cold trailing, they are bred like us. Impatient and with short attention spans. Blame whatever you wish, but itís a culmination of things all across the board. Competition rules have penalized cold trailers, loss of hunting area, our culture and the pace we live now, money incentives via titles and wins. And Iím sure I could name others.
Thereís a reason serious big game hunters donít use many competition bred coonhounds. No nose and slick treeing are at the top of every list I hear when talking to men all over the country.



I like what you said...

I also agree...it is a mindset of the dog that makes it want to follow a cold track or not...my opinion as well

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Re: Re: Outstanding Cold Nosed Trackdogs

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Good post. Spot on!! Stepping away from the coon hounds a moment. Some of you fellas in WI, MI, upstate NY, VT, NH, Maine, Canada, etc. may run snow shoe hare. If you do or have in the past you know that there are many who in the summer think they have quite a hare hound. When the snow is cold and dry and the temps are in the single digits and below OįF many of those wind splitters on bare ground can't run a hare for half a circle while a good harehound with what we refer to as a big nose can make it look like a summer run! Good cold nosed track dogs have never been plentiful. They've always been hard to find. But it seems to me that it is getting harder than ever. I lay a good percentage of that to many people scrambling to breed to titled dogs having never seen the hound perform even once.


I lay a good percentage of that to many people scrambling to breed to titled dogs having never seen the hound perform even once. [/B][/QUOTE]

It seems to me that it takes a certain type of hound to consistently win the hunts...the side effects are dogs looking for a hotter track and the dog appears to have a hotter nose and if we look a little deeper it could be a mindset that indirectly is being selected for in breeding these high powered winners...without realizing it the competition dogs are selected genetically for these traits...

When asking pleasure hunters and they strongly agree...when asking competition hunters they strongly disagree...

I have seen more than one hunter that thought they had a great pack of dogs catching many hogs...they didnít know they had one good strike/track dog that had a pack of me too dogs following that dog around...those dogs looked awesome until that lead dog wasnít in the pack anymore...kind of in line in what you already said...

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When you hunt with several other dogs and know them well an you see a dog take tracks that the others will not open on that you think they should and that dog ends up treed with a coon an the others act like they don't know its there. You see that several times an you know you have a colder nosed dog than most. And that's the kind I like!!!

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When you hunt with several other dogs and know them well an you see a dog take tracks that the others will not open on that you think they should and that dog ends up treed with a coon an the others act like they don't know its there. You see that several times an you know you have a colder nosed dog than most. And that's the kind I like!!!


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When you hunt with several other dogs and know them well an you see a dog take tracks that the others will not open on that you think they should and that dog ends up treed with a coon an the others act like they don't know its there. You see that several times an you know you have a colder nosed dog than most. And that's the kind I like!!!


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these are the dogs people are trying to say are Babbling without knowing the dog.

I have such a dog here right now . She is 8 1/2 years old.
She has been accused more times than I can count of
babbling or dog tracking.
Funny the other dogs always end up eventually opening with her later on the track or they never open but will be at the tree when she trees.
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I owned such a female registered walker that could run and tree coons that good dogs could and did not open on and always had a coon looking down. The ones that have never seen such a dog do not want to believe they exist. Everyone who hunted with mine knew such a dog existed. She was not a track straddler either she ran those tracks and made it look easy. What I would give for another like her? Dave

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I love to hear one work a track up and jump it and run the coon to catch it. But it doesnít matter how good they sound or how good they look doing it, if they donít have him when they park then everything they did was a waste .

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these are the dogs people are trying to say are Babbling without knowing the dog

people,,, who are people? The only 1 that matters is the judge. Now how is he supposed to know your dog? Is that his job?
Yes your dog may well be a honest track dog. Why should the judge decide if your dog is honest or any other dog in the cast is honest.
That is part of the problem with the babbling rule. There is know question about it rules need changed so you and your dog quit having this issue.

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I had one just like you describe once. He would trail the other dogs and open on track. Eventually the other dogs would find a coon track and start opening also. It would sound just like the "track" had warmed up enough for them to start opening. I was the only one that knew he was babbling/dog trailing.

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I had one just like you describe once. He would trail the other dogs and open on track. Eventually the other dogs would find a coon track and start opening also. It would sound just like the "track" had warmed up enough for them to start opening. I was the only one that knew he was babbling/dog trailing.
This is the truth for a lot of these "super cold nosed" dogs.

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